[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by sim21

Well i am a gay man, and feel the Ann's is quite clearly Homophobic and anyone following how she has vote of the years in the commons on subjects like Clause 28 will know!

That's sadly true.
Had Ann had her way lgbt rights would never have improved.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

She just doesn't like PDAs with either gays or straights.

Exactly and theres no law that says she has to lie it either

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Maybe you've just lived a sheltered life? I am pretty certain there are people much more hateful than Ann.

There's always someone worse in every aspect of life but that doesn't exempt someone from being a homophobe just because their hatred isn't as bad as the worst possible example.

[lewis111]

We haven't exactly got the most lovable and exciting bunch of HMs in there just now so sometimes you are able to overlook someone's views if they are a good enough HM and also don't make a big deal about their views in the house

Ann's biggest issue has been bad language and people being crude - the only time she's ever brought up like woman's rights or LGBT issues is when they were asked if her and her to explain, and at the time she got a lot of hate and criticism for it
But people like Andrew constantly hating on her whilst she's talking good of him make her seem like a better person / and to people like I say, don't hate, educate

[sim21]

Never said i speaking for everyone , i clearly said i feel she is Homophobic. I am not saying i dislike her but feel she is being let off for her comments because of her age.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's always someone worse in every aspect of life but that doesn't exempt someone from being a homophobe just because their hatred isn't as bad as the worst possible example.

I think its pretty clear from watching Ann that she isn't homophobic. The issue she has with LGBT rights are about her religious beliefs but I don't see anyone calling the pope a homophobe.

[lewis111]

I Do agree that she is homophobic but if she provides good TV then I'll want her to stay in - am I going to vote for her or want her to win? No but the show would die without her

Cardi B defended her homophobic man, does that mean I'm gonna stop listening to Bodak Yellow everyday? No!

[Natawho]

Originally Posted by sim21

Well i am a gay man, and feel the Ann's is quite clearly Homophobic and anyone following how she has vote of the years in the commons on subjects like Clause 28 will know!

Gay man here. Read up on her voting history before she went in. She never heavily campaigned against anything LGBT so I never put it down to anything but a generational educational gap.

Nothing in Ann screams hatred towards LGBT, she has calm and collected talks with Shane J in the house about these issues, something that a real homophobe would never do.

As someone who's dealt with real homophobia, I worry that your sheltered voice of 'anyone who disagrees with us is a homophobe and should have no friends' is a lot more harmful than a 70 year old lady that has never raised her voice once in the house.

You can't just assume that because we have more rights and representation now, that everyone has to fall in line. People are allowed to disagree with homosexuality in the same way that people are allowed to disagree with pineapple on pizza.

Ann lived the majority of her life in a world that oppressed gay people, in a world where LGBT had no rights. It's only natural that the change we've seen over the past few decades is going to come across as strange to somebody like that.

Instead of labelling people as 'hateful' and 'homophobic' and scaring people off voicing their opinions, focus on educating people who are living in the past.

It makes a mockery of ANY community when that community starts disregarding every single person that disagrees with them.

Do you think we got to where we are today by screaming 'HOMOPHOBE' at everyone who cringes at two guys making out?

No, we got to where we are today through debates, through the votes that Ann took part in, through discussion and most importantly through education.

Let the old lady eat her biccies in peace.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sim21

Never said i speaking for everyone , i clearly said i feel she is Homophobic. I am not saying i dislike her but feel she is being let off for her comments because of her age.

No,IF she was saying anything wrong BB would warn her and they haven't so people need to chill, She doesn't like swearing,sexual talk and Pda,s her choice but not hateful as Andrew is.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Natawho

Gay man here. Read up on her voting history before she went in. She never heavily campaigned against anything LGBT so I never put it down to anything but a generational educational gap.

Nothing in Ann screams hatred towards LGBT, she has calm and collected talks with Shane J in the house about these issues, something that a real homophobe would never do.

As someone who's dealt with real homophobia, I worry that your sheltered voice of 'anyone who disagrees with us is a homophobe and should have no friends' is a lot more harmful than a 70 year old lady that has never raised her voice once in the house.

You can't just assume that because we have more rights and representation now, that everyone has to fall in line. People are allowed to disagree with homosexuality in the same way that people are allowed to disagree with pineapple on pizza.

Ann lived the majority of her life in a world that oppressed gay people, in a world where LGBT had no rights. It's only natural that the change we've seen over the past few decades is going to come across as strange to somebody like that.

Instead of labelling people as 'hateful' and 'homophobic' and scaring people off voicing their opinions, focus on educating people who are living in the past.

It makes a mockery of ANY community when that community starts disregarding every single person that disagrees with them.

Do you think we got to where we are today by screaming 'HOMOPHOBE' at everyone who cringes at two guys making out?

No, we got to where we are today through debates, through the votes that Ann took part in, through discussion and most importantly through education.

Let the old lady eat her biccies in peace.

Hurray for common sense, enlightenment and intelligence.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Natawho

Gay man here. Read up on her voting history before she went in. She never heavily campaigned against anything LGBT so I never put it down to anything but a generational educational gap.

Nothing in Ann screams hatred towards LGBT, she has calm and collected talks with Shane J in the house about these issues, something that a real homophobe would never do.

As someone who's dealt with real homophobia, I worry that your sheltered voice of 'anyone who disagrees with us is a homophobe and should have no friends' is a lot more harmful than a 70 year old lady that has never raised her voice once in the house.

You can't just assume that because we have more rights and representation now, that everyone has to fall in line. People are allowed to disagree with homosexuality in the same way that people are allowed to disagree with pineapple on pizza.

Ann lived the majority of her life in a world that oppressed gay people, in a world where LGBT had no rights. It's only natural that the change we've seen over the past few decades is going to come across as strange to somebody like that.

Instead of labelling people as 'hateful' and 'homophobic' and scaring people off voicing their opinions, focus on educating people who are living in the past.

It makes a mockery of ANY community when that community starts disregarding every single person that disagrees with them.

Do you think we got to where we are today by screaming 'HOMOPHOBE' at everyone who cringes at two guys making out?

No, we got to where we are today through debates, through the votes that Ann took part in, through discussion and most importantly through education.

Let the old lady eat her biccies in peace.

Great Post

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Natawho

I don't think she's homophobic...

She's against gay marriage but her reasons are to do with the definition of marriage and she's said SEVERAL times that what people do in their own private space is their business.

She's cringed at STRAIGHT affection in the house.

She's cringed at GAY affection in the house.

Stop throwing the word 'homophobe' around because you make the whole community look like snowflake brats. We aren't all born with a pole up our arse like you.

Ann is just a woman with views. She doesn't try to impose them on anyone else.

Now find something genuine to complain about.

Well said. Ann is stuck in a time warp like many people of her age. However she expresses her opinion but the fact that she says what people do in private is up to them. I admire her honesty.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Natawho

Gay man here. Read up on her voting history before she went in. She never heavily campaigned against anything LGBT so I never put it down to anything but a generational educational gap.

Nothing in Ann screams hatred towards LGBT, she has calm and collected talks with Shane J in the house about these issues, something that a real homophobe would never do.

As someone who's dealt with real homophobia, I worry that your sheltered voice of 'anyone who disagrees with us is a homophobe and should have no friends' is a lot more harmful than a 70 year old lady that has never raised her voice once in the house.

You can't just assume that because we have more rights and representation now, that everyone has to fall in line. People are allowed to disagree with homosexuality in the same way that people are allowed to disagree with pineapple on pizza.

Ann lived the majority of her life in a world that oppressed gay people, in a world where LGBT had no rights. It's only natural that the change we've seen over the past few decades is going to come across as strange to somebody like that.

Instead of labelling people as 'hateful' and 'homophobic' and scaring people off voicing their opinions, focus on educating people who are living in the past.

It makes a mockery of ANY community when that community starts disregarding every single person that disagrees with them.

Do you think we got to where we are today by screaming 'HOMOPHOBE' at everyone who cringes at two guys making out?

No, we got to where we are today through debates, through the votes that Ann took part in, through discussion and most importantly through education.

Let the old lady eat her biccies in peace.

Great post.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think its pretty clear from watching Ann that she isn't homophobic. The issue she has with LGBT rights are about her religious beliefs but I don't see anyone calling the pope a homophobe.

I'm not talking about Ann really, I just didn't agree with the logic of someone not being considered a homophobe just because 'there are worse people out there'. Hate is hate.

[empire]

but two men kissing or marrying is just not some people's cup of tea, just as some gay people think that a straight couple kissing or marrying is just not appealing, now throwing a card at ann is just not fair, does she say that gays should be killed no, because years ago derick and kemal tried to throw that card on science and they looked like fools in the end, and science did say that you can do what you like when kemal said that two men kissing and holding hands, ann is comfortable with gay people but there are things that they do that just don't appeal to her as mush as what some of the young ones say in there, and ann had a reason for voting shane because they where doing the samething over and over again, and being stuck in that house 24/7 it can get boring.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by empire

but two men kissing or marrying is just not some people's cup of tea, just as some gay people think that a straight couple kissing or marrying is just not appealing, now throwing a card at ann is just not fair, does she say that gays should be killed no, because years ago derick and kemal tried to throw that card on science and they looked like fools in the end, and science did say that you can do what you like when kemal said that two men kissing and holding hands, ann is comfortable with gay people but there are things that they do that just don't appeal to her as mush as what some of the young ones say in there, and ann had a reason for voting shane because they where doing the samething over and over again, and being stuck in that house 24/7 it can get boring.

People are allowed to think that someone is homophobic.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by empire

but two men kissing or marrying is just not some people's cup of tea, just as some gay people think that a straight couple kissing or marrying is just not appealing, now throwing a card at ann is just not fair, does she say that gays should be killed no, because years ago derick and kemal tried to throw that card on science and they looked like fools in the end, and science did say that you can do what you like when kemal said that two men kissing and holding hands, ann is comfortable with gay people but there are things that they do that just don't appeal to her as mush as what some of the young ones say in there, and ann had a reason for voting shane because they where doing the samething over and over again, and being stuck in that house 24/7 it can get boring.

I completely understand her not finding PDA's appealing.

But marriage? What's that got to do with it? Nobody's forced her to attend a gay wedding have they?

Oh, but wait she's against heterosexual marriage too?
Oh BUT WAIT, she thinks people should only adopt when in a stable marriage, HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE.

Nope, not homophobic. Just a bit fussy.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not talking about Ann really, I just didn't agree with the logic of someone not being considered a homophobe just because 'there are worse people out there'. Hate is hate.

I see what you are saying and I agree.

[montblanc]

she's homophobic it's not rocket science

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Natawho

Gay man here. Read up on her voting history before she went in. She never heavily campaigned against anything LGBT so I never put it down to anything but a generational educational gap.

Nothing in Ann screams hatred towards LGBT, she has calm and collected talks with Shane J in the house about these issues, something that a real homophobe would never do.

As someone who's dealt with real homophobia, I worry that your sheltered voice of 'anyone who disagrees with us is a homophobe and should have no friends' is a lot more harmful than a 70 year old lady that has never raised her voice once in the house.

You can't just assume that because we have more rights and representation now, that everyone has to fall in line. People are allowed to disagree with homosexuality in the same way that people are allowed to disagree with pineapple on pizza.

Ann lived the majority of her life in a world that oppressed gay people, in a world where LGBT had no rights. It's only natural that the change we've seen over the past few decades is going to come across as strange to somebody like that.

Instead of labelling people as 'hateful' and 'homophobic' and scaring people off voicing their opinions, focus on educating people who are living in the past.

It makes a mockery of ANY community when that community starts disregarding every single person that disagrees with them.

Do you think we got to where we are today by screaming 'HOMOPHOBE' at everyone who cringes at two guys making out?

No, we got to where we are today through debates, through the votes that Ann took part in, through discussion and most importantly through education.

Let the old lady eat her biccies in peace.

Brilliant post .

I hate how words get thrown around , if anything education is needed for understanding what "homophobia" actually is before accusing people of it .

Another word that's thrown around alot is "bully" and its usually if someone is just opinionated towards people . That's not what a bully is , infact both homophobia & bullying involve hatred , intimidation and verbal abuse /physical attacking .

We live in a world now that's overly PC and people end up walking on egg shells in fear of hurting or saying the wrong thing .

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Brilliant post .

I hate how words get thrown around , if anything education is needed for understanding what "homophobia" actually is before accusing people of it .

Another word that's thrown around alot is "bully" and its usually if someone is just opinionated towards people . That's not what a bully is , infact both homophobia & bullying involve hatred , intimidation and verbal abuse /physical attacking .

We live in a world now that's overly PC and people end up walking on egg shells in fear of hurting or saying the wrong thing .

you can still be homophobic/racist without doing those things lol

[puzzled]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

To be fair, Shandrew has made me homophobic

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by montblanc

you can still be homophobic/racist without doing those things lol

A genuine homophobic person wouldn't be so close to Amanda & Wayne !!! think before you throw accusations around .

Ann has her views , she's not going to change them to fit into a scared overly PC world where people are too frightened to express themselves, so they jump on the bandwagons instead .

She's a 70 year old who doesn't need to please people for the sake of it . She wouldn't give Shane J the time of day if she hated him/his sexuality , she has sat down and listened and had discussions .

If she was soo prejudice she wouldn't bother and she'd probably avoid Shane J all together . She even tried to be understanding with India .

[JerseyWins]

Eh idk how to define homophobia exactly but I'd probably say she's homophobic but not in a way that requires outrage. Nothing about Ann is malicious or harmful she just has OLD views on a lot of things. She's an old lady coming from a different time and sticks to her religious beliefs. It'd be different if she made disgusting comments on it or was purposely hateful towards the gay people around her but that's just not the case from what we've seen. There are different levels to things you know.

I don't blame people if they take offense and dislike her for her views but I like her for being straightforward, putting people in their place, being both intentionally and unintentionally/ironically funny in many instances and just generally not giving a sh!t.

[Binbin]

she gets away with it because she is quite hideously ugly.