[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Ann said herself what two people do in private is entirely up to them,so I'de say that is 'live and let live'

Gay people being confined to their houses isn't live and let live though If they can't have the same rights and treatment as straight people in private and in public. Saying 'you can be gay but only in private' just doesn't make any sense to me at all... what does it even mean? And what does it have to do with the denial of equal rights? It honestly just sounds like a euphemism for sex.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

Originally Posted by Jamie89

(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance in action

[joeysteele]

A few people found who were less likely to hold the view certain rights need not be changed.
Their word becomes Gospel.

Dismissing almost the vast majority of lgbt communities fighting for to be seen as equals with equal rights.

Those few people did not have power to vote in changes.
Ann did, you learn a fair bit about people once you see what they would do or do when they have influence or power.

[Alf]

Is there a gay gene?

If there is, how does it get passed on, in a civil partnership or gay marriage?

Gay men used to marry women and have children with them and pass on their genes.

[Tom4784]

Internalised homophobia from a biphobic anti-semite, he is entitled to his views but I don't respect them.

It's not about religion or about anything else other than equal rights, there's benefits to marriage that, until relatively recently were not available to people in non-straight relationships based on nothing more but a definition of a book that's thousands of years old.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Internalised homophobia from a biphobic anti-semite, he is entitled to his views but I don't respect them.

It's not about religion or about anything else other than equal rights, there's benefits to marriage that, until relatively recently were not available to people in non-straight relationships based on nothing more but a definition of a book that's thousands of years old.

Exactly! And if marriage belongs to the church then how is it that marriage appears in every religion on the planet..

[Black Dagger]

He's an ogre

[Shaun]

Forgive me if I'm not swayed by someone who doesn't believe bisexuality exists.

[Trip]

Sorry I deleted my earlier post as I thought I'd posted it on the wrong thread and it's now been quoted.

I wasn't saying that everyone should be active necessarily but to take advantage of others' work and then denigrate their activism seems well dodgy. Perhaps if Amanda had never got those same sex civil rights she'd be a little more challenging?

[Withano]

South Park accurately portrays how ****ing dumb people sound when they say **** lile this. Unfortunately this blokes iPhone copy is the closest to a vid I can get.

Youtube video

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

South Park accurately portrays how ****ing dumb people sound when they say **** lile this. Unfortunately this blokes iPhone copy is the closest to a vid I can get.

Youtube video

is that you laughing

[bots]

If people want to put their opinions across aggressively and are completely intolerant of others, all they will achieve is alienation and they will set their cause back decades. Its all fine and well to be an internet warrior with aggressive opinions, hiding behind a wall of anonymity, but those people won't last long in a real environment

[Marches]

She is being inadvertently silenced

Such a manipulating her words to make her look like a homophobe. People will dismiss her opinions now, inadvertently refusing her free speech and acceptance of it

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marches

She is being inadvertently silenced

Such a manipulating her words to make her look like a homophobe. People will dismiss her opinions now, inadvertently refusing her free speech and acceptance of it

That's not what Freedom of Speech is. Freedom of Speech is the right to speak your opinion, it's not the right that everyone has to accept that opinion without question.

She is allowed to speak her opinion and others are allowed to respond to that opinion as they wish as long as it doesn't involve violence and the like. She is not being silenced because not everyone likes what she has to say ffs.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marches

She is being inadvertently silenced

Such a manipulating her words to make her look like a homophobe. People will dismiss her opinions now, inadvertently refusing her free speech and acceptance of it

That's how I'm seeing it too.

Shane J wasn't engaging her on her opinions, he was talking about Ann behind her back, trying to turn others against her, or maybe to get them to pull her up, I'm not sure what he wanted. I keep asking... no one seems to know what he actually wants from her.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's how I'm seeing it too.

Shane J wasn't engaging her on her opinions, he was talking about Ann behind her back, trying to turn others against her, or maybe to get them to pull her up, I'm not sure what he wanted. I keep asking... no one seems to know what he actually wants from her.

I've asked time and time again and no-one seems willing to answer.

What do Shane and his supporters want from Ann?

Do they want her to change her view? Because if they do then they're going the wrong way about it.

Do they want her sacrificed on the cross? Because if so, ain't going to happen.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

I've asked time and time again and no-one seems willing to answer.

What do Shane and his supporters want from Ann?

Do they want her to change her view? Because if they do then they're going the wrong way about it.

Do they want her sacrificed on the cross? Because if so, ain't going to happen.

I am concerned about when Ann leaves the house because the abuse she is getting on here is concerning.

I also think BBBOTS will be gunning for her. She will be unaware of what's been going on too.

I hope she leaves with Amanda, that will be helpful.

Ann has enjoyed herself in the house, more than she thought she would.

I also think Shane J once he is out of the house will get quite a shock as he is not everyone's cup of tea and apart from his Gay mates, he could get a backlash like he has already had in the house.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I am concerned about when Ann leaves the house because the abuse she is getting on here is concerning.

I also think BBBOTS will be gunning for her. She will be unaware of what's been going on too.

I hope she leaves with Amanda, that will be helpful.

Ann has enjoyed herself in the house, more than she thought she would.

I also think Shane J once he is out of the house will get quite a shock as he is not everyone's cup of tea and apart from his Gay mates, he could get a backlash like he has already had in the house.

Yeah, I'd be concerned as well.

She is a strong old bird but no-one wants death threats at the end of the day.

Still, she does know that she's not popular so maybe she won't be phased. I don't imagine she's one for twitter, FB etc. so that won't affect her.

[AnnieK]

I get that having free speech allows people to challenge it as it should but what happens then. Is it a case of he who shouts loudest, or should we not concentrate on educating people who are willing to listen and kearn about oppression faced by minority groups, rather than trying to change the views of people who are unwilling to change? There are plenty of people willing to listen and kearn but as is shown there are people who won't. As we've seen with shane j, fighting against people like Ann only leads to frustration and then the very good of the message gets diluted.

Shane J has a way to him that people will listen to, he is educated and passionate but he has spent so long listing Ann's digressions that all his good work has been pushed to the back of peoples minds because of the way he has approached it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I get that having free speech allows people to challenge it as it should but what happens then. Is it a case of he who shouts loudest, or should we not concentrate on educating people who are willing to listen and kearn about oppression faced by minority groups, rather than trying to change the views of people who are unwilling to change? There are plenty of people willing to listen and kearn but as is shown there are people who won't. As we've seen with shane j, fighting against people like Ann only leads to frustration and then the very good of the message gets diluted.

Shane J has a way to him that people will listen to, he is educated and passionate but he has spent so long listing Ann's digressions that all his good work has been pushed to the back of peoples minds because of the way he has approached it.

Great post, I totally agree

[Crimson Dynamo]

The difference to all of you and shane J is Ann did something to make a change

Asd i have said - she stuck up her hand a volunteered

You may disagree with her politics and religion but yiou cant not admire her for making the effort

So far Shane has done nothing, nothing at all


This is the year of the woman and Ann is a woman in a mans game (still) and she has done very well and should be celebrated and not hounded for doing her job for the people of this country. WHen Ann was being pilloried for being a woman with a view you lot (mostly) and shane J were sh1tting in your nappies


jesus wept

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The difference to all of you and shane J is Ann did something to make a change

Asd i have said - she stuck up her hand a volunteered

You may disagree with her politics and religion but yiou cant not admire her for making the effort

So far Shane has done nothing, nothing at all


This is the year of the woman and Ann is a woman in a mans game (still) and she has done very well and should be celebrated and not hounded for doing her job for the people of this country. WHen Ann was being pilloried for being a woman with a view you lot (mostly) and shane J were sh1tting in your nappies


jesus wept

No she didn't. She stuck her neck out to PREVENT change.

[Tom4784]

Yes, let's admire Ann for making an effort to prevent equal rights by voting against pretty much every gay rights issue that came up while she was in Parliament and for endorsing psychological abuse via conversion therapy

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, let's admire Ann for making an effort to prevent equal rights by voting against pretty much every gay rights issue that came up while she was in Parliament and for endorsing psychological abuse via conversion therapy

Who's admiring Ann for that? I'd love to see an example???

Back up your statement please.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Who's admiring Ann for that? I'd love to see an example???

Back up your statement please.

Literally the post above mine that you quoted?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The difference to all of you and shane J is Ann did something to make a change

Asd i have said - she stuck up her hand a volunteered

You may disagree with her politics and religion but yiou cant not admire her for making the effort

So far Shane has done nothing, nothing at all


This is the year of the woman and Ann is a woman in a mans game (still) and she has done very well and should be celebrated and not hounded for doing her job for the people of this country. WHen Ann was being pilloried for being a woman with a view you lot (mostly) and shane J were sh1tting in your nappies


jesus wept