[bots]

Jeremy Corbyn should be "open and transparent" about his alleged contacts with a Communist spy during the 1980s, Theresa May has suggested.

Asked about claims a Czech intelligence officer met and tried to recruit Mr Corbyn during the Cold War, she said MPs must "account" for past actions.

The Labour Party has said claims he was an agent were a "ridiculous smear".

Czech officials say files show he was a "person of interest" but was never a secret collaborator or an informer.

Files held by the Czech Security Service Archive, first reported by the Sun, detail contacts Mr Corbyn is alleged to have had with a Czechoslovakian diplomat and agent in London in 1986 and 1987.

Jan Sarkocy told the newspaper he met Mr Corbyn on several occasions, including in the House of Commons, while he was working undercover in the London Embassy under the name of Jan Dymic.

At an event in Derby, the prime minister was asked whether she agreed with her defence secretary Gavin Williamson that Mr Corbyn's file - which reportedly gives insights into his character and views on foreign policy issues from the time - should now be released so people could make up their own mind about the claims.

"It is for individual members of Parliament to be accountable for their actions in the past," she replied.

"Where there are allegations of this sort, MPs should be prepared to be open and transparent."

'Possible contact'
The director of the Czech Security Service Archive told the BBC that their files suggest Mr Corbyn was seen as a possible "contact" but no more than that.

"Mr Corbyn was not a secret collaborator working for the Czechoslovak intelligence service," Svetlana Ptacnikova said. "The files we have on him are kept in a folder that starts with the identification number one.

"Secret collaborators were allocated folders that start with the number four. If he had been successfully recruited as an informer, then his person of interest file would have been closed, and a new one would have been opened, and that would have started with the number four."

She added: "He stayed in that basic category - and in fact he's still described as that, as a person of interest, in the final report issued by the StB agent shortly before he [the agent] was expelled from the UK."

Labour has acknowledged Mr Corbyn met Czechoslovakian and other diplomats "for a cup of tea" but said Mr Sarkocy's accounts of his meetings with him had "no credibility whatsoever".

In a statement released when the Sun's initial report was published, Labour said "the claim that Jeremy Corbyn was an agent, asset or informer for any intelligence agency is entirely false and a ridiculous smear".

"Jeremy neither has nor offered any privileged information to this or any other diplomat," it added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43111794
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Jeremy does seem to share a cup of tea with lots of dodgy characters, whether that be middle eastern terrorists, ira terrorists or communist states

[joeysteele]

I think most politicians of all parties in their time will share cups of tea over the years even a meal with people they know little about,or who may even be dubious characters.

If that's the real worst he's done here,the nit picking is really sliding into deeper than just a gutter.

[Northern Monkey]

Would love to be a fly on the wall at one of Jezzas ‘tea’ parties.Bet his pals have some right stories to tell

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Would love to be a fly on the wall at one of Jezzas ‘tea’ parties.Bet his pals have some right stories to tell

Especially the terrorists such as the IRA and Hamas!

[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...igence-experts

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...igence-experts

That doesn't mean much. Comrade Cobb is confident that nothing will come of his meetings with an Eastern bloc spy because, fortunately for him, he likely had zilch of any use to pass on to them. However, the fact that he was targeted by an agent speaks volumes about where they knew his sympathies lay, though the supposedly naive like to gloss over this with all sorts of excuses for their bearded saviour, as per usual.

The 68-year-old Opposition Leader admits meeting “a Czech diplomat” in Parliament, but denies passing him any privileged information.
Speaking to The Sun, former head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove described the approaches to Mr Corbyn as “a classic cultivation”, after studying the archive documents that we published.

Sir Richard, who was one of Britain’s best Czechoslovakia experts during the Cold War, said: “Either Jeremy Corbyn was incredibly naďve or he knew exactly what was happening to him, so he was complicit in all this”.
Sir Richard, who lead MI6 from 1999-2004, was also the Secret Intelligence Service’s head of station in Prague in the 1970s…...
…..The ex-spymaster added: “These are genuine documents which shows he was targeted and the case was advanced, at a time when a very unpleasant Czech regime was persecuting dissidents. They were the enemies of the West.
“They wouldn’t have targeted him unless they believed he was a Communist fellow traveller.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/559023...claims-labour/

Indeed...and quite rightly all these growing pointers that he was vehemently anti British and consorted with all sorts of undesirables will inevitably lose Labour the next election (if they don't find somebody decent to oust him in time).
The pointers, in big neon lights, will only be ignored by the wilfully stubborn and purposefully naive, which thankfully most people aren't inclined to be. The old duffer (who never had a proper job) can retire and sip tea to his hearts content and reminisce about his Commie and terrorist supporting days.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

That doesn't mean much. Comrade Cobb is confident that nothing will come of his meetings with an Eastern bloc spy because, fortunately for him, he likely had zilch of any use to pass on to them. However, the fact that he was targeted by an agent speaks volumes about where they knew his sympathies lay, though the supposedly naive like to gloss over this with all sorts of excuses for their bearded saviour, as per usual.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/559023...claims-labour/

Indeed...and quite rightly all these growing pointers that he was vehemently anti British and consorted with all sorts of undesirables will inevitably lose Labour the next election (if they don't find somebody decent to oust him in time).
The pointers, in big neon lights, will only be ignored by the wilfully stubborn and purposefully naive, which thankfully most people aren't inclined to be. The old duffer (who never had a proper job) can retire and sip tea to his hearts content and reminisce about his Commie and terrorist supporting days.

Exactly he had nothing to offer them he knew nothing... nothing about thatchers wardrobe nothing about live aid, nothing!
So why is he under so much scrutiny?

He was just one of many diplomats and MPs meeting people to facilitate better communication between governments, that's what they do.
That's how the cold war ended, that's how the Irish peace process developed with representatives discussing issues of mutual importance.

I fail to see what he has done here, as far as I can see it's just the right wing media throwing **** in the vain hope that some sticks!

If this was a one off incident then I could see the concern but it happens every single time Labour are close to power, the guy had met with these people years ago so where was the furore then, he has stood as an MP in his constituency countless times... why was it not an issue then a matter of national importance?..... Because it isn't!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Exactly he had nothing to offer them he knew nothing... nothing about thatchers wardrobe nothing about live aid, nothing!
So why is he under so much scrutiny?

He was just one of many diplomats and MPs meeting people to facilitate better communication between governments, that's what they do.
That's how the cold war ended, that's how the Irish peace process developed with representatives discussing issues of mutual importance.

I fail to see what he has done here, as far as I can see it's just the right wing media throwing **** in the vain hope that some sticks!

If this was a one off incident then I could see the concern but it happens every single time Labour are close to power, the guy had met with these people years ago so where was the furore then, he has stood as an MP in his constituency countless times... why was it not an issue then a matter of national importance?..... Because it isn't!

Are you really that naive and clueless about Corbyn's agenda's? STILL?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Are you really that naive and clueless about Corbyn's agenda's? STILL?

I'll ask you again..

the guy had met with these people years ago so where was the furore then, he has stood as an MP in his constituency countless times... why was it not an issue then a matter of national importance?.

If he is so dangerous why has he not been 'exposed' before now... why has he been allowed a seat in parliament and in positions of influence and trust all the while rising to the top job through he Labour ranks if he is such a liability?....

Get some perspective.

[Mystic Mock]

The source that it's coming from is dodgy as these Newspapers have a clear pro-Tory agenda that most of us can see.

However Corbyn does hold alot of Communist views so it wouldn't be a massive surprise if he supported the Russians at the time.

[MTVN]

Stasi files obtained by Guido reveal that a peace group run by Jeremy Corbyn was infiltrated by East German spies and was encouraged by East German officials into promoting GDR policies at Labour conference and in the House of Commons. The group was also infiltrated by a spy from the Czech security service who stood as a Labour candidate.

Full story: https://order-order.com/2018/02/21/s...-german-spies/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Stasi files obtained by Guido reveal that a peace group run by Jeremy Corbyn was infiltrated by East German spies and was encouraged by East German officials into promoting GDR policies at Labour conference and in the House of Commons. The group was also infiltrated by a spy from the Czech security service who stood as a Labour candidate.

Full story: https://order-order.com/2018/02/21/s...-german-spies/

And... Even if it was how is that anything to do with Corbyn?
Groups were infiltrated with spies all the time there was an expose a while ago how govt agents infiltrated groups married the members and had families with them.

How are you to counter that, don't start any progressive groups, do a in depth study on every member?

There is no evidence to suggest that there was any pro East Germany lobbying at the time is there?

This is yet another Labour leader that the right wing media are portraying as pro Russian militants they've done it with every one! Someone is getting very worried at the possibility of Labour being back in power and this is the tried and tested method to sway public confidence..Only this time not as many are as gullible.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And... Even if it was how is that anything to do with Corbyn?
Groups were infiltrated with spies all the time there was an expose a while ago how govt agents infiltrated groups married the members and had families with them.

How are you to counter that, don't start any progressive groups, do a in depth study on every member?

There is no evidence to suggest that there was any pro East Germany lobbying at the time is there?

This is yet another Labour leader that the right wing media are portraying as pro Russian militants they've done it with every one! Someone is getting very worried at the possibility of Labour being back in power and this is the tried and tested method to sway public confidence..Only this time not as many are as gullible.

I'm afraid its some Corbyn supporters who are looking very gullible, and have been for some time. He didn't do this, he didn't do that, he's innocence personified, he's wonderful, I love him etc etc etc.
Plenty of people who want Labour back in power can no longer stomach him and Labour are doomed with Corbyn at the helm. There will be plenty more to come out the nearer he gets to Downing St, mark my words. There is many a story being sat on at present because it is believed he is going to do the job for them and hang himself. Labour needs to find a strong candidate sooner rather than later and get rid of their downfall Corbyn pronto.

[Northern Monkey]

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

I left saying anything as to that to 2 of my Conservative supporting friends watching it with me but like me irritated she'll never really answer questions.


They however said and I now sort of agree with them,she played into his hands with that.
They believe,and they can't stand him,that this will do him no harm at all.
Just like when he stood his ground in the Labour leadership challenges.
They believe many voters will admire his dignified aporoach to dealing with same,while their party raise the issue,drawing the attention to the rabid press playing the game too.

Which actually worries them immensely.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

Oh the PM is attempting to give credence to fake news now?...

Tries to be surprised....fails :/

[Maru]

All you Corbynators and your Corbynation...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Maru

All you Corbynators and your Corbynation...

Corbynistas, sjw, pc, snowflake the lable is irrelevant the message is the same, for the many not the few maru.

[jet]

No answers to my post above then Kizzy? Speaks volumes.

Poverty strikes dead the very souls of all who come within sight, sound or smell of it.

So does the sight, sound or smell of children and babies blown to pieces by the Corbyn sympathising IRA.
The IRA who he refuses to condemn outright without qualification.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

No answers to my post above then Kizzy? Speaks volumes.




So does the sight, sound or smell of children and babies blown to pieces by the Corbyn sympathising IRA.
The IRA who he refuses to condemn outright without qualification.

What it 'speaks' is that I work 12hrs a day Jet.

That happened on both sides, you are not objective enough on this issue he did condemn it on both sides.

Nobody was the better or worse killer, there was killing, the end.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What it 'speaks' is that I work 12hrs a day Jet.

That happened on both sides, you are not objective enough on this issue he did condemn it on both sides.

Nobody was the better or worse killer, there was killing, the end.

No, not the end. I'm bloody furious and sick of this sh**.
You still haven't answered the questions I asked in my post above, and your slithering out of doing so says enough for me.

As does your opinion that nobody was a better or worse killer.
Are you fking serious?

The IRA and their affiliated groups killed just short of 2,000 people, many of them innocent civilians, men, women, children and babies. Most of them blown to pieces by bombs.
Loyalist paramilitaries killed 896 people, most of them innocent adult Catholics.
The British Army and RUC between them killed 355 people.

Every single life matters. I guess it doesn't matter to you whether 355 or 896 or nearly 2000 people lose their lives, it's all the same to you then? Well it bloody well matters to those 'extra' 1000 families whose loved ones lie cold in their graves....and it certainly matters to the families of children and babies blown to bits...which was almost exclusively the IRA's way of operating.

As for objectivity - this discussion is about Corbyn and he didn't support the Loyalists, did he, he supported the IRA. So its a moot point. If he had supported Loyalists in their murders, I would feel exactly the same about him. My mother was Protestant, my father Catholic, and I was brought up Catholic, though I no longer practice my religion. My family and I have always been neutral, having many relatives and friends on both sides, and we all detest Corbyn and others of his ilk. But he is the one vying to be the next PM. So don't talk to me about not being objective, YOU are the one who isn't objective with your endless excuses and twisting and turning in your 'Corbyn can do no wrong fairytale land' and IMO your chilling attitudes towards terrorism...

...and Poor you, working 12 hours a day. Thank your lucky stars you didn't have to work 16 a day, like my wife did in the midst of the Troubles in the Royal Victoria Hospital, working with surgeons to save the lives of IRA bomb victims. Victims, including children with their eyes blown out, their legs and arms hanging off, their stomachs and intestines spilling out.

Have you ever witnessed the carnage of a bomb, the screaming, the blood, the terror? Have you ever personally lost best friends to these atrocities, have your friends ever lost their children, gone forever? That is what the IRA did for them and me.
My nieces, aged 5 and 7, on a charity Fun Run, in the midst of a family fun day out, were seconds away from being killed, but witnessed the killing of 5 young soldiers. In front of their eyes, they seen a young soldier, no more than 18 years old, trying to frantically escape but he couldn't because he didn't realise his legs had been blown off. He later died. My nieces innocence was gone forever, with nightmares and crippling anxiety their legacy from the IRA.

That is the reality of the IRA's operandi and they are the bastards that Corbyn supported and sipped his tea with.
It was up to the Government to broker talks, which they did, not a half assed non - entity opposition back bencher who had no business consorting with terrorists to puff up his self importance, attending their rallies and funerals and whose only delusional contribution to the peace process was in his own head and an escape route excuse for having anything to do with them in the first place.

Find any book you like on the N.I peace process. There are quite a few excellent accounts which mention all the big and little players in the unfolding drama. Look up the index for Corbyn's name. You'll not find it anywhere. He's a liar, a fraud and a chancer - these are his past legacies which will always impact on his present because he hasn't changed one iota.

He has always refused to condemn the IRA without qualification, and so do you, in every post. Nobody is a better or worse killer, you say. Well, I disagree. No killing of innocent people is ever acceptable, but there are those than target mostly adults like Loyalist paras, there are those that mostly target terrorists like the security forces, and then there are those that target ANYONE with a bomb who just happens to be in the vicinity going about their daily business, like Corbyn's muses the IRA - children and babies included. You are just Corbyn's parrot really; when you say something re terrorism, I hear him bleating his usual apologist garbage. Sickening.

[Livia]

How does the slogan "for the many, not the few" sit with the fact that Labour have just voted against cutting stamp duty for first time buyers?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

How does the slogan "for the many, not the few" sit with the fact that Labour have just voted against cutting stamp duty for first time buyers?

And the value of the properties is?...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And the value of the properties is?...

What?

The value of property is that someone can own the place they live in. And if they own more than one property, they can make a bit of money for themselves too but that probably doesn't really apply to those buying their first home.