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MTVN · 08-04-2018, 08:09 PM

'Tory ploy', oh please. Why do people look for conspiracies in everything when there is literally nothing to suggest it

Kizzy · 08-04-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

'Tory ploy', oh please. Why do people look for conspiracies in everything when there is literally nothing to suggest it

Because anything is possible to keep the left from getting in power... that's why. If you don't believe that fine nobody is forcing you to are they? :/

MTVN · 08-04-2018, 08:25 PM

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Because anything is possible to keep the left from getting in power... that's why. If you don't believe that fine nobody is forcing you to are they? :/

You can believe what you want, doesn't mean I'm not free to express my view of it

Kizzy · 08-04-2018, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

You can believe what you want, doesn't mean I'm not free to express my view of it

Mock me all you like I couldn't give a toss.

AnnieK · 08-04-2018, 08:31 PM

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo

Brillopad · 08-04-2018, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo

People do like their conspiracy theories though.

Kizzy · 08-04-2018, 08:46 PM

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People do like their conspiracy theories though.

Not as much as people love mocking and baiting obv...

Brillopad · 08-04-2018, 08:57 PM

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Not as much as people love mocking and baiting obv...

Do you believe that no-one could ever accuse you of baiting Kizzy?

user104658 · 08-04-2018, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties.

Thinking about it though; isn't that exactly what "New Labour" was in the 90's?

MTVN · 08-04-2018, 08:49 PM

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Thinking about it though; isn't that exactly what "New Labour" was in the 90's?

New Labour sought to change the fact that the Tories had won every election in the last twenty years and they succeeded, there was no Tory involvement in that

Kizzy · 08-04-2018, 09:12 PM

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New Labour sought to change the fact that the Tories had won every election in the last twenty years and they succeeded, there was no Tory involvement in that

Were they really that different though?..

MTVN · 08-04-2018, 09:19 PM

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Were they really that different though?..

Different enough for people to think them better than the Tory government, no other Labour leader had achieved that for a long time and no Labour leader has achieved it since

DemolitionRed · 08-04-2018, 09:35 PM

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Were they really that different though?..

Blair was so far right he literally said, "People should vote Tory" just prior to the last election.

This new party sounds like its collecting a lot of disgruntled Conservative members and right leaning Labour members. https://www.politicshome.com/news/eu...party-if-right

kirklancaster · 08-04-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

If anything, it could be ex-members of both parties behind this. There are lots of disillusioned tory and labour members who still want to play a part in politics but disagree with their original parties. Seems a bit far fetched to be a ploy by one side or another imo

A GREAT post Annie - FULL of common sense.

DemolitionRed · 08-04-2018, 09:39 PM

And they want to remain in the EU so that's going to bring them probably more than half the countries vote.

Brillopad · 08-04-2018, 10:16 PM

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And they want to remain in the EU so that's going to bring them probably more than half the countries vote.

I wouldn’t bet on it. And Corbyn was supposed to be so anti-EU! He may just change his mind AGAIN.

DemolitionRed · 08-04-2018, 09:44 PM

Blair sat further right than his predecessor John Major. Major is famous for saying, "I took my clothes off to go for a swim in the Thames and when I got back to the bank, Blair was wearing them".

kirklancaster · 11-04-2018, 07:19 AM

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Blair sat further right than his predecessor John Major. Major is famous for saying, "I took my clothes off to go for a swim in the Thames and when I got back to the bank, Blair was wearing them".

It is all fine now for Labourites to 'distance' themselves from crook Blair but it did not stop all those Labour Supporters from voting for him and his Party 3 times then - INCLUDING myself ONCE to my eternal shame.

Brillopad · 11-04-2018, 07:10 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...centrist-party

A disappointing development.

bots · 11-04-2018, 07:56 AM

For a party to have at its heart a pro eu stance at this point is simply stupid. Democracy voted for us to leave the EU, we will have left the EU before the next election, so their key pledge is worthless. It's a non starter. We will have whatever relationship with the EU as is agreed between ourselves and them on exit. End of story.

Edit: Just to say, I voted remain, but I respect democracy. I would never give my vote to a party that tries to change that decision, and I know I am not alone.