[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody

I dunno I think quite a lot of people would appreciate the right to know if they were interacting with a child murdering peadophile, sadly his rights seem to be more important than that of the general publics.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I dunno I think quite a lot of people would appreciate the right to know if they were interacting with a child murdering peadophile, sadly his rights seem to be more important than that of the general publics.

Do you currently believe you have the right to know the previous crimes that everybody has committed upon meeting them?
Do you believe you should have this right?
How would you enforce that?
I feel like this is moving a goal post out of hate, which I do understand... its just not practical though is it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’ve always been a fan of the UK justice system... Imagine the sort of crimes Venables (or any other psycho) would commit if they knew they’re about to receive a death penalty anyway.

WHAT???? There can be NO ********** crime IMAGINED which TRANSCENDS the DEMONIC, BARBARIC, INHUMAN ********** SLAUGHTER of little Jamie Bulger.

Why are there so many mass-shootings in America? Imo, because, you murder one guy -you’re in jail for life, you murder ten guys, and they’ll give you ten life sentences. Its dumb, and the criminals know this. You kill one guy in America, you might as well kill another 50, and its terrifying that this is logical.

The Death Penalty cannot PREVENT a mass-shooting or multiple-homicide from being committed, no more than it can prevent the slaughter of one solitary innocent toddler, but WHAT it CAN do, is GUARANTEE that the sicko ********** EVIL bastards who DO carry out any of the above ONCE, will NEVER get the chance to REPEAT their evil because (with apologies to Monty Python's Mr Praline)

"He'll have passed on! This scum will be no more! He will have ceased to be! 'Expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'He'll be a stiff! Bereft of life"

And the MORE of them the BETTER.

"Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody, considering that Kaz has basically just glorified a future potential murderer "

Venables PART-served an offensively LENIENT punishment which followed an EARLIER offensively LENIENT punishment.

Giving him a 'New Identity' is self-explanatory - EVERYTHING, from his BIRTH CERTIFICATE through his NATIONAL INSURANCE NUMBER to his NAME, is FORGED by the STATE to PROTECT him.

You know - that SAME State which FAILED to protect little Jamie.

As for Kaz 'basically' glorifying any IMAGINED 'potential murderer, that is FAR more rational and understandable - in my opinion - than anyone who appears to lessen the gravity of the HORRIFIC crimes which this ACTUAL murdering paedophile ACTUALLY committed.

Edit: surely he’s not allowed a passport. Is this just about him being called Billy instead of Jon?

Only my opinion of course.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Only my opinion of course.

Your random capitals honestly give me migraines, I cant even attempt to read that right now

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Withano

Your random capitals honestly give me migraines, I cant even attempt to read that right now

You should, its one of his better ones.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Only my opinion of course.

Your opinion is on a par with mine Kirk and I am always open to your thoughts,good post

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Your opinion is on a par with mine Kirk and I am always open to your thoughts,good post

Thank You Kaz.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’ve always been a fan of the UK justice system... Imagine the sort of crimes Venables (or any other psycho) would commit if they knew they’re about to receive a death penalty anyway.

Why are there so many mass-shootings in America? Imo, because, you murder one guy -you’re in jail for life, you murder ten guys, and they’ll give you ten life sentences. Its dumb, and the criminals know this. You kill one guy in America, you might as well kill another 50, and its terrifying that this is logical.

Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody, considering that Kaz has basically just glorified a future potential murderer

Edit: surely he’s not allowed a passport. Is this just about him being called Billy instead of Jon?

The punishment he received has never fitted the crime. If you've ever read the things they did to that poor toddler you will realize very sick minds were involved. It wasn't just taking him to a train track and throwing bricks though that is bad enough. He was beaten, kicked, tortured and interfered with in a sexual, cruel way (his penis was injured and he was naked waist down) They put paint in his eyes and police believe batteries were inserted into his bottom. Even more disturbing children did this. There are some criminals like the Yorkshire ripper, Neilson and Ian Brady whose crimes were so depraved they will never be allowed into society again. Venables crime is right up there with them. In the best case scenario he should already be in broadmoor, in the worst should have been permanently tagged already. A fascination with child porn and interest in learning about how to abuse clearly shows he is not rehabilitated and has unnatural urges he seems to plan to act upon. A Manuel about how to have sex with children isn't on everyone's reading list. It's clearly a matter of time and opportunity.

No it isn't just a case of being given a new name. He will be relocated to a new part of the UK. He will have new papers and been found a place to live at the public's expense. He will likely be found work. All the documents needed for work, fake school records and qualifications will have to be provided. He will have social workers on tap. If he has contact with his family they will also have to be relocated if his identity is compromised. Giving anyone a new identity is a complex and expensive process.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The punishment he received has never fitted the crime. If you've ever read the things they did to that poor toddler you will realize very sick minds were involved. It wasn't just taking him to a train track and throwing bricks though that is bad enough. He was beaten, kicked, tortured and interfered with in a sexual, cruel way (his penis was injured and he was naked waist down) They put paint in his eyes and police believe batteries were inserted into his bottom. Even more disturbing children did this. There are some criminals like the Yorkshire ripper, Neilson and Ian Brady whose crimes were so depraved they will never be allowed into society again. Venables crime is right up there with them. In the best case scenario he should already be in broadmoor, in the worst should have been permanently tagged already. A fascination with child porn and interest in learning about how to abuse clearly shows he is not rehabilitated and has unnatural urges he seems to plan to act upon. A Manuel about how to have sex with children isn't on everyone's reading list. It's clearly a matter of time and opportunity.

No it isn't just a case of being given a new name. He will be relocated to a new part of the UK. He will have new papers and been found a place to live at the public's expense. He will likely be found work. All the documents needed for work, fake school records and qualifications will have to be provided. He will have social workers on tap. If he has contact with his family they will also have to be relocated if his identity is compromised. Giving anyone a new identity is a complex and expensive process.

Yep,we are taught never to lie and this new ID etc is the biggest lie of all.

[Black Dagger]

Just put him down like the dog he is at this point.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Just put him down like the dog he is at this point.

(SEE - we DO agree sometimes)

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Do you agree yay or nay,
One of James Bulgers killers is probably going to get a 5th new identity which to date will cost us 5 million pounds, James dad wants his identity revealed, his mom doesn't,imo he should NOT get one ,he should NOT be released ever again, he is a danger to society,but I can see that Denise does not want innocent people targeted,but given he himself has given his true identity can he be trusted with a new one? If the powers that be want to keep him safe,keep him where he is and throw away the key.

No i absolutely do not agree , this so called 'human being' has been taking the piss for years now - it needs to end , no one would want filth like him living anywhere near them . Enough is enough , no more because we all know you will offend again and again. Face your fate - bars for life.

[Jamie89]

He should be locked away for life imo. I believe in rehabilitation in general but he's proven that's not going to happen and he's been given more than enough chances. I'm against vigilante justice though so if he is released then I suppose I'd have to accept that a new identity would need to be part of that. It's not out of compassion for him, I honestly don't care if he's alive or dead, and it's begrudging, but I'd see it as a necessary way of upholding that aspect of the law, which for me is really important - it doesn't have anything to do with actually caring about his personal well being though. I'm against the death penalty as well though, I wonder if that's something that makes a difference in peoples opinion on this?

[bots]

Anyone who commits a sexual offense has to go on the sex offenders register. Then people have a right to ask who is on the register in their area. That was a measure brought in to protect people from predators. By giving Venables anonymity, they are removing peoples ability to protect themselves from him, and giving him free reign to commit further offences. That cannot be right, particularly given the gravity of his past. If he can't be protected on the streets and he is a danger to others, then it seems pretty obvious to me, he just shouldn't be released in to society.

[jaxie]

And there are so many mass shootings in America because you can buy a gun as easy as a candy bar and likely in the same store, they will still sell it you even though there is no proof you aren't mental, and semi automatic guns kill a lot of people quickly without the need for sniper skills. It's doubtful anyone with that mentality is thinking deeply about the consequences.