[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

a 21 year old hanged himself because his girlfriend cheated on him and was found by his brother

A 23 year old guy blew his head off with his dads shot gun and was found by his mum in the shed he showed no signs of depression.

Another guy hanged himself from the loft hatch because he had split from his girlfriend who he had a child with, found by his mum who could not lift him down, all people I know.

These cases above are selfish acts in my eyes.

To an outsider those appear to be the reasons, but they could simply have been "triggers" in a long life of severe depression.

[Rob!]

It's an extremely difficult question to answer actually.
I think the action itself can be seen as quite selfish. You're ending all your own problems in such a permanent way while leaving behind so much anguish and pain to your loved ones, especially those that find you.
But I don't think it's ever something that someone would do without months of internal struggle and it shows above anything why people need to talk more about this.

[Eddie.]

Nope. Though it doesn’t mean I’m encouraging it. People feeling suicidal really should get the help they need tbh...

[Twosugars]

Jonnii, thank you for your support.

The problem we have here is that the subject of the thread is too broad.
Reasons for suicide can be so varied. It's tough to compare somebody who does it in a moment of madness, say, trying to take revenge for perceived mistreatment by others (spurned lover, rebellious child, jealous spouse), people struck by sudden misfortune (bankrupcy, job loss, etc), people who are terminally ill, people with mental problems.
And even within those categories circumstances will be different and impact on others may be different.
A lonely woman kills herself quietly with sleeping pills and a plastic bag because she can't cope with her MS, a schoolboy kills himself by throwing himself off a bridge onto a busy motorway. He is bullied at school and blames whole society and wants to disrupt other people's lives in revenge. Both suicides, but not the same in their selfishness.

[Glenn.]

Yes but as others have said, it’s unintentional.

[thesheriff443]

Members should start a depression and anxiety awareness group on here.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't know if I would call it selfish, but I do get interested in what's so wrong in someone's life that they would want to kill themselves?

[Babayaro.]

I think it's actually quite a brave thing to do

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

I think it's actually quite a brave thing to do

maybe it would be braver to accept you have a problem and get professional help?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

maybe it would be braver to accept you have a problem and get professional help?

With all due respect LT, a lot of people who end up committing suicide have admitted they have a problem and have gotten professional help

[Cherie]

I don't think it is black and white, I think if the person takes their life and outwardly there were no signs and they leave no note it leaves the family behind with questions that will never be answered and also at a loss as to why they couldn't help' so in some ways it can be unintentionally selfish as the person is so wrapped up in their own depression they can't take account of anyone else's feelings, just imagine if your brother, sister, mother, daughter took their life and you had no idea why? I don't know how I would cope with that

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think it is black and white, I think if the person takes their life and outwardly there were no signs and they leave no note it leaves the family behind with questions that will never be answered and also at a loss as to why they couldn't help' so in some ways it can be unintentionally selfish as the person is so wrapped up in their own depression they can't take account of anyone else's feelings, just imagine if your brother, sister, mother, daughter took their life and you had no idea why? I don't know how I would cope with that

That was one thing I was really glad about after my friend died, that she'd left me a note trying to help me understand what was going on in her head and to say goodbye.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect LT, a lot of people who end up committing suicide have admitted they have a problem and have gotten professional help

really, how do you know that?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

really, how do you know that?

Well I was aware that my best friend was suffering from depression and was getting professional help before she died, I was also at a funeral very recently of a man I know who committed suicide and his close family and friends were all aware he suffered with depression and he was getting professional help.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect LT, a lot of people who end up committing suicide have admitted they have a problem and have gotten professional help

Yes One Lady , I knew
was in Love with a Married Man
his Wife stopped her Solid

She sadly was so in love with him
and because she was stopped from seeing him,
she killed herself
Tragic.

[Niamh.]

No I don't think it is and it upsets me when people say that like it's some frivolous decision people make. I can't even imagine how utterly low and helpless and full of despair a person must feel to get to where they think suicide is the only way to free themselves from that. My best friend committed suicide when she was 18 and I know she's not a selfish person and I wish she never got that life stealing disease, depression.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack.

So in light of the current storyline in coronation street, it’s got me thinking what everyone’s opinions on the subject are, Do you feel that Suicide is a selfish thing to do?

Of course , it is.
Totally.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The current thinking on depression ( and gathering evidence apace) is that it is medical, an inflammation of the brain.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The current thinking on depression ( and gathering evidence apace) is that it is medical, an inflammation of the brain.

I suppose that's good news? That you can treat it properly with medication but I have heard that the current medications they prescribe can totally dampen peoples personalities and abilities to enjoy life aswell. Hopefully that will change

[Crimson Dynamo]

Coincidentally when i went to my dads grave last week I took the TL to see my G Grandfathers grave, he hung himself in his loft when he was 39

Imagine going up the ladder to your loft knowing that you were about to do that, does not bear thinking about

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Coincidentally when i went to my dads grave last week I took the TL to see my G Grandfathers grave, he hung himself in his loft when he was 39

Imagine going up the ladder to your loft knowing that you were about to do that, does not bear thinking about

Yeah which is why I think that it can't be a frivolous decision too, I mean no person acting out of just selfishness will do that. You know, if that's the only way you think is going to stop the despair you're going through? It's so sad

[Crimson Dynamo]

Had an auction pal, Irish chap, 5 kids, spoke to everyone, knew everyone, lovely and friendly had banter going with all the porters and ladies in the office, in his early 40s

One day i went to my usual auction and a lady came up to me and aid did you here about Jim, i said no, she said went off into the woods by his house with a sleeping bag and pills and vodka and killed himself

I still cant quite believe that and it was 4 years ago now, awful

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Had an auction pal, Irish chap, 5 kids, spoke to everyone, knew everyone, lovely and friendly had banter going with all the porters and ladies in the office, in his early 40s

One day i went to my usual auction and a lady came up to me and aid did you here about Jim, i said no, she said went off into the woods by his house with a sleeping bag and pills and vodka and killed himself

I still cant quite believe that and it was 4 years ago now, awful

Yeah, you always hear that too don't you, how friendly and funny and joyful people are and how it's such a shock. My friend was like that too, always the joker in the group

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, you always hear that too don't you, how friendly and funny and joyful people are and how it's such a shock. My friend was like that too, always the joker in the group

this is why i think that it must be in many cases a medical condition that alters the brain and the thought process chemically

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this is why i think that it must be in many cases a medical condition that alters the brain and the thought process chemically

Yeah I think you could be right. Brains are funny things.

Ugh this thread is making me feel a bit weepy. It's an interesting topic though