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Niamh. · 29-05-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

We should be thinking about getting some kind of award for her...

I've already given her my 10pts in most loved tbh

Livia · 29-05-2018, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've already given her my 10pts in most loved tbh

LOL...

Babayaro. · 29-05-2018, 10:04 AM

Love

Tony Montana · 22-06-2018, 10:45 AM

Bump

Alf · 22-06-2018, 10:49 AM

Depends on how much money we're talking?

Vicky. · 22-06-2018, 10:50 AM

Money for sure. I just think how bloody easy life would be without having to worry about money tbh.

Alf · 22-06-2018, 10:58 AM

I'm un-loveable anyway and rather selfish when it comes to doing things I like and want to do. You have to make sacrifices for love and I just don't think that's in me.

Nicky91 · 22-06-2018, 11:07 AM

Love

Cherie · 22-06-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've already given her my 10pts in most loved tbh

Cherie · 22-06-2018, 11:12 AM

love, although its a toughie as if you are worn out from being poor and trying to pay bills it can kill love so...

user104658 · 22-06-2018, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Money for sure. I just think how bloody easy life would be without having to worry about money tbh.

I'm a "money worrier" - I get very, very stressed if I'm having cashflow issues - but as I'm also someone who has had periods of very low income and periods of being pretty comfortable... I can say that this is sadly just not true. The worst and most stressful times in my life have had absolutely nothing to do with money. In fact the worst times I can think of are some of the "best off" times

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First was in my teens living in a very unhappy household, my parents barely spoke, it was just... cold. A really empty environment. But at that point their combined income was decent / high, money wasn't any issue at all, but it meant nothing.

Second was the (roughly) 18 months / 2 years following my mum's death, which for various reasons were some of the hardest years of my life thus far. Yet I inherited a decent amount when she died, so it was also the most financially comfortable I've been in my adult life. Being debt free / being able to buy a new car, go on holiday, etc. was great but the bare facts are I have absolutely no idea where I would be without my wife & the girls. Nowhere good, basically.

I do think having enough money to make ends meet + have a decent disposable income for recreation is important, I'm not saying it isn't, but it's definitely secondary to having meaningful connections in life. Human connection is vital for good mental health, money is not, and when it comes right down to it, mental health is ALL that actually matters for living a happy life.

Niamh. · 22-06-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm a "money worrier" - I get very, very stressed if I'm having cashflow issues - but as I'm also someone who has had periods of very low income and periods of being pretty comfortable... I can say that this is sadly just not true. The worst and most stressful times in my life have had absolutely nothing to do with money. In fact the worst times I can think of are some of the "best off" times

.

First was in my teens living in a very unhappy household, my parents barely spoke, it was just... cold. A really empty environment. But at that point their combined income was decent / high, money wasn't any issue at all, but it meant nothing.

Second was the (roughly) 18 months / 2 years following my mum's death, which for various reasons were some of the hardest years of my life thus far. Yet I inherited a decent amount when she died, so it was also the most financially comfortable I've been in my adult life. Being debt free / being able to buy a new car, go on holiday, etc. was great but the bare facts are I have absolutely no idea where I would be without my wife & the girls. Nowhere good, basically.

I do think having enough money to make ends meet + have a decent disposable income for recreation is important, I'm not saying it isn't, but it's definitely secondary to having meaningful connections in life. Human connection is vital for good mental health, money is not, and when it comes right down to it, mental health is ALL that actually matters for living a happy life.

100% when you're on your death bed you're not going to be thinking about all the stuff you bought in life that's for sure

Vicky. · 22-06-2018, 12:00 PM

When I am on my deathbed I reckon all I will be thinking about is getting enough drugs to see me off happily, tbh

I understand what you mean TS, but emotional connections just are not a thing for me really. I only actually have strong feelings for my children anyway. I can 'act' 'normal' but I don't really fit with people I know as they are all so bloody emotional so often and I see it as either them acting ridiculously on purpose for attention (for example sitting in the middle of a crowded pub crying your eyes put as your partner has finished with you..like who the **** does that?! But it seems common), or them being a bit mentally unstable. So love, is not really something I care about at all. Nor is it..something I know I have ever experienced, despite being married for 2 years and with him for 11. Maybe it would be different if I had experienced this earth moving huge thing that people say they experience. Who knows. I am pretty skeptical that 'love; as described in novels and such is a real thing anyway, where I know money is a real thing

And having never really had a decent amount of disposable income, I would do pretty much anything to see what its like.

I guess a question I would have about it though, is it is ALL love? Or just romantic 'love' which I took the question to be. I would give up romantic connections in a heartbeat, it only becomes a hard question for me if it means like, everyone I know would totally hate me. And even then, I wouldn't care about friends and such tbh, but like, if it meant my kids would turn against me then its a no. Anyone else..I would still go for money