[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Do you know what an actual Christian is ?? I doubt it

For the most part Christians are people who's parents were Christians so they then passed it along and were told this is how it is, don't ask any questions. That's my experience of it anyway. People choosing to be Christians of their own accord are much more rare I think

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Tbh it probably would as no one seems to know what an actual Christian is

I expect you have a good definition for the group?

Why would I force a definition onto a group of people I'm not even a part of?

[Kizzy]

No! it's even easier than that... You can not go to any place of worship, or observe any religious festival whatsoever, conduct yourself in a manner that's counter to any religious doctrine and just say 'I'm a Christian actually!' and people have to believe you :/

[Twosugars]

Catholicism for me, the real McCoy. Sentimental reasons and aesthetics. Proper organ music, old churches full of art, saints, incence, vestments, the lot.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Catholicism for me, the real McCoy. Sentimental reasons and aesthetics. Proper organ music, old churches full of art, saints, incence, vestments, the lot.

Warm aesthetics is where it’s at. Just for the beauty.

Plus Virgin Mary’s a mother anyone would love to bang. What a character.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Catholicism for me, the real McCoy. Sentimental reasons and aesthetics. Proper organ music, old churches full of art, saints, incence, vestments, the lot.

i love the bit where they tell children that they will burn in hell forever if they dont believe in what they say

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i love the bit where they tell children that they will burn in hell forever if they dont believe in what they say

who doesn't like a frisson of danger in a story

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i love the bit where they tell children that they will burn in hell forever if they dont believe in what they say

Which church is this? Certainly not a Catholic one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which church is this? Certainly not a Catholic one.

yes unbelievers are cast into hell and even believers i think get purified in fire


purgatory etc


either way catholics are told that death is not a good thing for unbelivers


A priest told my pal Steven that every time he sinner a black cross was written on his heart and if he got too many he would die, only by going to confession would they be removed

it terrified him as a child

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Catholicism for me, the real McCoy. Sentimental reasons and aesthetics. Proper organ music, old churches full of art, saints, incence, vestments, the lot.

.....child abuse, sexism, cruelty, the lot

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

.....child abuse, sexism, cruelty, the lot

don't forget avarice, the church can be very greedy for donations

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

don't forget avarice, the church can be very greedy for donations

Indeed

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

.....child abuse, sexism, cruelty, the lot

So your kids didn’t get their first communion or confirmation?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So your kids didn’t get their first communion or confirmation?

Yes they did and I really regret it, I didn't want them to be the odd ones out in school and have to make them sit out all the time that **** takes up in school, a lot of time. If I had my time over I would have done things a lot differently

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Catholicism for me, the real McCoy. Sentimental reasons and aesthetics. Proper organ music, old churches full of art, saints, incence, vestments, the lot.

Wooo, I agree with this... I enjoy going in w my grandmother to her church... it feels quite lovely

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Catholicism for me, the real McCoy. Sentimental reasons and aesthetics. Proper organ music, old churches full of art, saints, incence, vestments, the lot.

Me

[Twosugars]

I'd say atheism is a belief. A belief there's no god. What else is it since we don't have a proof either way?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'd say atheism is a belief. A belief there's no god. What else is it since we don't have a proof either way?

incorrect

its not a 50:50 thing with gods, dragons, superheros etc

the chances of everything man has learned about physics being wrong and gods being real is minute a tiny fraction of a percent

not believing in stuff with no evidence is not a badge or a thing

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect

its not a 50:50 thing with gods, dragons, superheros etc

the chances of everything man has learned about physics being wrong and gods being real is minute a tiny fraction of a percent

not believing in stuff with no evidence is not a badge or a thing

incorrect

science remains valid, but it hasn't answered the god question either way, until that happens atheism is a belief not a fact

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'd say atheism is a belief. A belief there's no god. What else is it since we don't have a proof either way?

I disagree, you don't need proof that something doesn't exist

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I disagree, you don't need proof that something doesn't exist

It works both ways really
You don't necessarily need concrete proof that it does exist either , the whole point in having faith is you just believe .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It works both ways really
You don't necessarily need concrete proof that it does exist either , the whole point in having faith is you just believe .

Yes but "faith" is that fallback argument; believing in something with no evidence is neither logical nor rational... "faith" is in my opinion just a more justifiable way of saying "wishful thinking". People have faith because it comforts and guides them. The harsh reality is, if something has been believed in passionately through faith for thousands of years and yet there is still zero real evidence of its existence, there's a very high probability that it simply does not exist.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but "faith" is that fallback argument; believing in something with no evidence is neither logical nor rational... "faith" is in my opinion just a more justifiable way of saying "wishful thinking". People have faith because it comforts and guides them. The harsh reality is, if something has been believed in passionately through faith for thousands of years and yet there is still zero real evidence of its existence, there's a very high probability that it simply does not exist.

But that's what faith is whether you like it or not , and that's not entirely true as some people actually feel a sense of peace and contentment when following religion . they're happy and they believe what they believe .

Some people even experience miracles and spiritual encounters , of course some people might be sceptical but how can you know for sure they didn't experience angels and god protecting them? .

And yes it does comfort and guide people .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I disagree, you don't need proof that something doesn't exist

You do otherwise you can't rule it out and the possibility of it existing remains

[Twosugars]

Absence of proof is not proof of absence