[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That only works on puppies to mimic mummy dog... try it on a stray and you might find that's bogus advice.

I wouldnt bite a stray dog....yuck..mangy diseased displaced unwanted filthy beasts.


A nice labrador puppy though...mmmmm...yum yum.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Bite them back if they bite you.

Our vet told me to do that when Ryu was a pup and we were having issues with bites. I argued that it wouldn't help and was cruel but she insisted its the best way. Not really hard, but hard enough to make him yelp :/

[Beso]

Cesar milan sounds like a crufts show dog.

[Kizzy]

I'd say dog attacks are due to mistreatment definitely

[Nicky91]

no, and i'm against every type of animal abuse

[chuff me dizzy]

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

Its pathetic ,really it is

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its pathetic ,really it is

Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

[Matthew.]

don’t hit your dog ffs, think it’s standard that people do not do this

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

My sister in law cuddles hers from coming in from work to going to work again the following day, it sleeps with her, it even goes in the bloody bath with her, its got its own dog pushchair for when it rains ,she kisses it on its lips, shares food with it passed from her mouth this dog has just licked its arse and old man clean ffs ,she calls it her baby ,its NOT your baby its a D O G

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

Common sense, truth and logic - as always, Chuff.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Common sense, truth and logic - as always, Chuff.

Why thank you kind sir

[user104658]

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea . Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea . Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

TS, you've spoken so much sense in different threads today
some trumpets (not naming names) should learn from you

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea . Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

Great post, T.S.

As with children, I don't like to witness anyone hitting a dog. There are other ways.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea . Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

I don’t think concepts like submission apply to a dog.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think concepts like submission apply to a dog.

Of course they do, maybe even more so than in humans infact

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think concepts like submission apply to a dog.

Submission is the CORE concept of training a dog . They're pack animals, they follow a pack hierarchy and submit to those who are higher in the pecking order. That's pretty much dog psychology in a nutshell. All of the human characteristics that humans put on them (e.g. "My dog loves me!" / "My dog misses me when I'm not around!") are just expressions of that. Dogs neither love nor miss humans, they just know they're ****ed without their pack leaders, so they suck up to them, and get anxious when they're "missing".

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think concepts like submission apply to a dog.

so submission and dominance are alien concepts to pack animals like dogs?
submission/dominance postures and behaviours they display from puppyhood throughout their lives are what in your view?

[Beso]

How do police train their dogs?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How do police train their dogs?

By rewarding them ,I watched a documentary on it very interesting

[Beso]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

By rewarding them ,I watched a documentary on it very interesting

Id like to watch that chuffle as my nephew sees it as a career move cause his pops kept alsations all his life..any idea what it was called?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Id like to watch that chuffle as my nephew sees it as a career move cause his pops kept alsations all his life..any idea what it was called?

No sorry it was a couple of years ago now x

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How do police train their dogs?

Food rewards and praise, pretty much the only way to properly train a dog. Of course the police trainers are highly skilled at it, and they can also tell very quickly which dogs are "cut out for it" and the others are sold on (or adopted by officers quite often).

My next door neighbour as a kid was a retired police dog trainer, he had two huge ex-police German Shepherds and a massive Black Lab, they were so well trained it was really fascinating.