[JoshBB]

Yeah that's abuse and they should definitely have jail time.

[Tom4784]

I think this thread's a good example that people don't tend to read the article in threads like this. The assumption that they are Jehovah's witnesses have been fuelled by the misreading of Sheriff's post. He was providing an example of religious beliefs getting in the way of medical treatment, not saying the people in question were Jehovah's witnesses.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think this thread's a good example that people don't tend to read the article in threads like this. The assumption that they are Jehovah's witnesses have been fuelled by the misreading of Sheriff's post. He was providing an example of religious beliefs getting in the way of medical treatment, not saying the people in question were Jehovah's witnesses.

also it proves Jakey has a good valid point in people assuming that they were Jehovah's witnesses


he was just stating some evidence about Jehovah's witnesses that they aren't anything like the people stated in the article


i find it just silly and not very respectful for the Jehovah witness community that people come to the wrong conclusions that they see them as awful people while they aren't

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

also it proves Jakey has a good valid point in people assuming that they were Jehovah's witnesses


he was just stating some evidence about Jehovah's witnesses that they aren't anything like the people stated in the article


i find it just silly and not very respectful for the Jehovah witness community that people come to the wrong conclusions that they see them as awful people while they aren't

Do you know how the JW's have traditionally dealt with sexual abuse allegations?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you know how the JW's have traditionally dealt with sexual abuse allegations?

uh no how then?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

uh no how then?

The church elders would hold a meeting with the victim/victims family, and the accused, and the victim was expected to recount the events and allegations in front of the abuser. This is actually worse than ignoring it imo, because no child victim should be expected to go through that amount of shame.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you know how the JW's have traditionally dealt with sexual abuse allegations?

Same as the catholics probably.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Same as the catholics probably.

There's good and bad in all though Parmy.

[Maru]

The original linked article didn't seem to explain everything to me, so I did a web search...

Source: https://people.com/crime/michigan-pa...-daughter/amp/

A Michigan couple reacted with visible shock — the dad’s mouth hanging open, the mom in tears — as they were arraigned Monday on charges of felony murder and first-degree child abuse in connection with the Thursday starvation death of their 10-month-old daughter.

Tatiana Fusari and Seth Welch, both 27, appeared via video in 63rd District Court as Kent County Judge Sara Smolenski detailed the allegations against them.

As Smolenski explained the charges, Welch first shook his head in apparent disbelief before his mouth dropped as he heard the possible sentence they face.

Both parents are being held without bail and, if convicted, could spend the rest of their lives in prison.

Their daughter Mary Anne Welch was found dead last week inside a crib in the couple’s Solon Township home, according to authorities. She died from both malnutrition and dehydration, prosecutors confirm to PEOPLE.

Welch allegedly awoke that morning to find the girl lifeless. Investigators accuse Welch and Fusari of failing to seek medical treatment for Mary, insisting they had to have known she was unwell.

Welch allegedly has a distrust of medical professionals and cited religious reasons when pressed on why he did not take Mary in to be treated, according to a criminal affidavit obtained by PEOPLE.

“During interviews with both parents, admissions were made that they were aware of Mary Welch’s skinny appearance and low weight for at least one month prior to this date,” the affidavit reads.

Investigators further contend in the affidavit that “Fusari admitted during the interview that they failed to reach out for medical help with their daughter for fear of having her children removed by Child Protective Services, lack of faith and trust in the medical services and religious reasons.”

The couple have two other children, who are now staying with Welch’s parents.

Welch previously documented his religious beliefs in videos posted to his Facebook page, where he also recently revealed Fusari is pregnant with their fourth child.

In one video, he said that doctors are “priesthoods of the medical cult.” He also spoke out against vaccines in a different clip: “The righteous shall live by faith. It’s God who is sovereign over disease and those sorts of things and, of course, ultimately deaths.”

Hours after Mary’s death, he wrote that his “heart is about shattered” and that “Tati and I are the worst parents ever.”

“Just numb inside right now,” the post continued. “And I’m really enjoying the loving embrace of an isolation cell from the cops and government employees who keep assuring me ‘they are only here to help.’ ”

Sounds like straight fanaticism. It seems a bit ironic too considering how much religion (Christianity particularly) has always had a place in our hospitals/medical system in the US. They could've visited a Christian hospital if they were were worried about their practices being disrespected?...

[Strictly Jake]

Maru thanks for your kind words to me above and for those that gave their opinions back to me whether you agree or not what makes the world and being human interesting is that everyone on here will have their own opinion on a subject and have varying interests i think in some ways that can make a forum great. The problem is when it borders on arguments and having to defend beliefs noone needs to defend thier own opinion and thats simply why i retracted as i know what i know and feel what i feel and noone can change that and i dont wish to change someone elses opinion I could see where the topic was heading so i stopped and allowed the topic to get back to the point of the article

I think all of us can agree on the point that these people did not have an excuse what they did was wrong they didnt seek any form of help whereas yes i cant have a blood transfusion i would definitely try everything else available in my absolute power to have my life saved or those of my precious children who are the world to me

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by ShakeyJake10

Maru thanks for your kind words to me above and for those that gave their opinions back to me whether you agree or not what makes the world and being human interesting is that everyone on here will have their own opinion on a subject and have varying interests i think in some ways that can make a forum great. The problem is when it borders on arguments and having to defend beliefs noone needs to defend thier own opinion and thats simply why i retracted as i know what i know and feel what i feel and noone can change that and i dont wish to change someone elses opinion I could see where the topic was heading so i stopped and allowed the topic to get back to the point of the article

I think all of us can agree on the point that these people did not have an excuse what they did was wrong they didnt seek any form of help whereas yes i cant have a blood transfusion i would definitely try everything else available in my absolute power to have my life saved or those of my precious children who are the world to me

First of all I have nothing against your religion or beliefs, but I like to use logic, if blood is not pure, that means your own blood is not pure regardless of religion.