[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

It's such a bloody scream that after years of moaning about the messy nominations rules, when they are made back to normal people seen fumed about it

Originally Posted by JoshBB

forreal omg. Some people won't be happy until the show is cancelled forever

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[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

We'd be having 5-6 housemates up every week under that rule, nty. I like that the current rule allows a minimum of 2 but the possibility for more if there is no house consensus.

Good! All head to heads do under VTS is render it pointless and make it a reverse vote to evict, meaning the biggest character goes every time

With 4+ people up and VTS, the non-entities go 80% of the time and therefore the series isn't damaged week upon week! I'll take that thanks

Originally Posted by Greg!

It's such a bloody scream that after years of moaning about the messy nominations rules, when they are made back to normal people seen fumed about it

Not moi! I've even said normal noms are overrated themselves before

Never ever been interested in head to heads

[Denver]

So you all cry for back to basics then want one of the mos fundamental parts removed

[BBDodge]

It effectively cancels out the awful Vote to Save rubbish.

Want to evict Chloe - just dial Hardeep's number (and vice versa).

[JoshBB]

It's funny as well because the criticism before was that this would lead to housemates who do nothing being able to float to the final.. yet Chloe's up proabbly for that reason lmfao

[armand.kay]

Imagine any of the golden seasons with the crappy 2 noms and you're up rule. Now that would've ruined the series.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Imagine any of the golden seasons with the crappy 2 noms and you're up rule. Now that would've ruined the series.

SO many entertaining housemates would be easily bootable under that rule, especially with VTE.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Imagine any of the golden seasons with the crappy 2 noms and you're up rule. Now that would've ruined the series.

Originally Posted by Oaker

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3

The old rules are much better.

But that was 10 years ago, we're living in an area of BB now where you get nominated for having an argument with someone else instead of the actual person nominating them, as well as people nominating someone on someone else's behalf.

Just look at almost all of Natalie's noms being to do with "making Gabby cry" or w/e... If BB8 had been done 10 years later Charley would've been gone immediately "for making Chanelle want to go home" or something

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Hayden

But that was 10 years ago, we're living in an area of BB now where you get nominated for having an argument with someone else instead of the actual person nominating them, as well as people nominating someone on someone else's behalf.

Just look at almost all of Natalie's noms being to do with "making Gabby cry" or w/e... If BB8 had been done 10 years later Charley would've been gone immediately "for making Chanelle want to go home" or something

Charley only escaped being up for eviction because of the nominations format though. If it was messy C5 rules (2 noms and you're up) she would have been up and out week 3 (had a cheeky wee look at the noms table)

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Charley only escaped being up for eviction because of the nominations format though. If it was messy C5 rules (2 noms and you're up) she would have been up and out week 3 (had a cheeky wee look at the noms table)

Yeah I understand your point but that's not what I'm saying. I agree with your point... if it was 2007. But it's 2018 now, no longer the same show as it was, and someone like Charley would probably have been up straight away on a C5 series with the "old rules" of 2 or more up because people nominate on other people's behalf nowadays.

Like, if they'd had the "old rule" for other C5 series, we'd be seeing head to heads like Gemma vs Tiffany, Kim vs Jedward etc. very early on and those series would've been nowhere NEAR as iconic as they ended up being if we'd lost those early.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Hayden

But that was 10 years ago, we're living in an area of BB now where you get nominated for having an argument with someone else instead of the actual person nominating them, as well as people nominating someone on someone else's behalf.

Just look at almost all of Natalie's noms being to do with "making Gabby cry" or w/e... If BB8 had been done 10 years later Charley would've been gone immediately "for making Chanelle want to go home" or something

Yeah but charley was able to actually get people on her side days before nominations. She knew how to play the game and was aware that she could survive nominations if she gets a few people on her side. Charley was more self aware than Natalie and knew that her behaviour put her in the firing line, while Natalie was shocked at being put up. Had that season been 2 noms and you're up rule she wouldn't of had a chance.

[Oaker]

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3

The old rules are much better.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Oaker

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3

The old rules are much better.

You are referring to the "current" way? (ie. the new, old way) or do you mean the "old, new" way (lack of consistent format)

[Oaker]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You are referring to the "current" way? (ie. the new, old way) or do you mean the "old, new" way (lack of consistent format)

the current way

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You are referring to the "current" way? (ie. the new, old way) or do you mean the "old, new" way (lack of consistent format)

If BB8 had the format of 5/6 people going up each week, Charley would've been up a lot sooner and would have been evicted. Then, the same people complaining about head-to-head evictions would have complained about that. Again, it's just a case of rules only being accepted if it suits the person.

Two people up is much better in my opinion.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

If BB8 had the format of 5/6 people going up each week, Charley would've been up a lot sooner and would have been evicted. Then, the same people complaining about head-to-head evictions would have complained about that. Again, it's just a case of rules only being accepted if it suits the person.

Pretty much.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

If BB8 had the format of 5/6 people going up each week, Charley would've been up a lot sooner and would have been evicted. Then, the same people complaining about head-to-head evictions would have complained about that. Again, it's just a case of rules only being accepted if it suits the person.

Two people up is much better in my opinion.

No, I'd be complaining about vote to evict as usual which IS the biggest flaw in BBUK's format

Get rid of that and none of this matters, except not having head to heads under VTS because it's just a reverse VTE

[Oaker]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, I'd be complaining about vote to evict as usual which IS the biggest flaw in BBUK's format

Get rid of that and none of this matters, except not having head to heads under VTS because it's just a reverse VTE

But people like Frenchy, Leslie, Saira, Gemma, Alicia were all lost in VTS 3+ evictions :/

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Oaker

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3

The old rules are much better.

But you know what's to blame for that? Vote to evict. There's no bigger problem than VTE but having head to heads under VTS renders it a pointless system

The best solution is vote to save and multiple nominees, she'd never go then

[JoshBB]

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

That's right. The show has been going on for almost twenty years, it's becoming rarer for celebrities to "mess up" because most of them would have learned, by now, from past mistakes. Like you said, hopefully they'll get the casting right for BB and not just throw in a bunch of people saving face in order to secure some sort of deal on the outside.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

This. Also celebrity big brother is also different because they're cast on the basis of their names rather than their personalities and the dynamic of the whole cast together.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

I really hope you're right. It would be great to have another icon like Charley escape noms every week again <333

But I just genuinely don't see it happening, the show is too different now, people pander alot more to what they think the viewers like/dislike and it always affects noms, whereas that didn't used to happen as much in the golden days.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Hayden

I really hope you're right. It would be great to have another icon like Charley escape noms every week again <333

But I just genuinely don't see it happening, the show is too different now, people pander alot more to what they think the viewers like/dislike and it always affects noms, whereas that didn't used to happen as much in the golden days.

I mean the last time we had the 2 or more noms and you're up rule was bb13 and thats easily the best c5 series (although 17 is tugging at her crown)

[Headie]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I mean the last time we had the 2 or more noms and you're up rule was bb13 and thats easily the best c5 series (although 17 is tugging at her crown)

That was down to the cast being pretty amazing though. The series before that (BB12) also had the 2 or more up rule and that was one of the worst series ever (which is proof that the voting format doesn't even matter if casting get the housemates perfect - but they so rarely do these days which is why the format needs to be adjusted slightly to keep the good ones in)