[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by kingston

So just because your partner touches your genitials makes it acceptable for anyone to touch them at leisure?

Bens not her partner though?..

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Bens not her partner though?..

Exactly.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by kingston

I fail to see how she is “manipulating” the situation... It’s also not as if she just picked Ryan at random... There is video proof that he came at her in a manner that made her uncomfortable...

Ben telling her he loved her should have made her more uncomfortable...bearing in mind she's engaged...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ben telling her he loved her should have made her more uncomfortable...bearing in mind she's engaged...

She's using Ben for airtime. So she strings him along.

[kingston]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It wasn't a sexual touch.

It’s still unwelcomed behaviour... It could literally be anything... In terms of this situation the actual act is irrellevent... If you want to talk about double standards you’re doing exactly that... Saying one type of unwelcomed behaviour is acceptable over another just because one is “sexual” and the other is not...

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Bens not her partner though?..

Whether he is or not isn’t relevant...

[kingston]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's using Ben for airtime. So she strings him along.

Now you’re just being trivial... Her relationship with Ben has nothing to do with what happened with Ryan...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by kingston

You clearly don’t understand the concept of consent... It doesn’t matter whether he “made contact” or not... The behaviour was still unwelcomed...

But she play fights with everyone...Ryan felt comfortable doing that with her rather than say Sally...because that's all Roxanne has done in the house..play fighting..jumping around the house around everyone...then suddenly it's unacceptable...it doesn't make sense.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kingston

It’s still unwelcomed behaviour... It could literally be anything... In terms of this situation the actual act is irrellevent... If you want to talk about double standards you’re doing exactly that... Saying one type of unwelcomed behaviour is acceptable over another just because one is “sexual” and the other is not...



Whether he is or not isn’t relevant...

But she's perfectly OK with Ben rubbing his foot on her back.

[kingston]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ben telling her he loved her should have made her more uncomfortable...bearing in mind she's engaged...

That has nothing to do with the situation with Ryan...

[kingston]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But she's perfectly OK with Ben rubbing his foot on her back.

Again just because touching is acceptable from one person does not mean it’s welcomed from everyone...

[Amy Jade]

She can set whatever boundaries she wants with whoever she wants. I think tonight she was out of order but to basically say well she does this with one person why not another is ridiculous.

If she is comfortable to play fight with one person doesn't mean she is obliged to do the same with another person. My 7 year old cousin grabs me on the leg and runs away and I chase him. By the standard set on here I should be fine with a stranger grabbing me too because I let somebody I am comfortable with do it.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by kingston

It’s still unwelcomed behaviour... It could literally be anything... In terms of this situation the actual act is irrellevent... If you want to talk about double standards you’re doing exactly that... Saying one type of unwelcomed behaviour is acceptable over another just because one is “sexual” and the other is not...



Whether he is or not isn’t relevant...

Then she should stop playing around like some 12 year old after eating too many sweets...you can't have your cake and eat it.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kingston

Again just because touching is acceptable from one person does not mean it’s welcomed from everyone...

But she playfights with everyone. She only complained because it was Ryan.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

She can set whatever boundaries she wants with whoever she wants. I think tonight she was out of order but to basically say well she does this with one person why not another is ridiculous.

If she is comfortable to play fight with one person doesn't mean she is obliged to do the same with another person. My 7 year old cousin grabs me on the leg and runs away and I chase him. By the standard set on here I should be fine with a stranger grabbing me too because I let somebody I am comfortable with do it.

But he's not a stranger.

[kingston]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But she play fights with everyone...Ryan felt comfortable doing that with her rather than say Sally...because that's all Roxanne has done in the house..play fighting..jumping around the house around everyone...then suddenly it's unacceptable...it doesn't make sense.

It doesn’t have to “make sense” to you... I’m not sure why the concept of consent is so forgin to you? Why is it not acceptable for someone to set their own personal boundaries?

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But she playfights with everyone. She only complained because it was Ryan.

I disagree with her complaint but playfighting is a two way thing. Without an obliging partner you are just attacking - playfully or not.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

She can set whatever boundaries she wants with whoever she wants. I think tonight she was out of order but to basically say well she does this with one person why not another is ridiculous.

If she is comfortable to play fight with one person doesn't mean she is obliged to do the same with another person. My 7 year old cousin grabs me on the leg and runs away and I chase him. By the standard set on here I should be fine with a stranger grabbing me too because I let somebody I am comfortable with do it.

Ryan isn't a stranger...she knows him through the industry and she's been living with him for over 2 weeks...hardly a stranger is he?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I disagree with her complaint but playfighting is a two way thing. Without an obliging partner you are just attacking - playfully or not.

He barely made contact and she was clutching the wrong side. Pathetic attempt at getting rid of the competition.

[kingston]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Then she should stop playing around like some 12 year old after eating too many sweets...you can't have your cake and eat it.

What are you talking about? If you’re trying to slut shame Roxanne isn’t not going to happen... Just because someone acts a particular way does not imply they are “asking for it”...

[Alf]

As long as most of us know that it was a massive overreaction from Roxanne (again), then the truth will out and she'll be the one who comes off the worst out of this.

[kingston]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He barely made contact and she was clutching the wrong side. Pathetic attempt at getting rid of the competition.

That’s your opinion but it doesn’t mean that the behaviour was welcomed...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by kingston

It doesn’t have to “make sense” to you... I’m not sure why the concept of consent is so forgin to you? Why is it not acceptable for someone to set their own personal boundaries?

Because it's hypocritical..

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But he's not a stranger.

Irrelevant.

Just because you know somebody doesn't mean they can put their hands on you at their own choosing. If the man who serves you in tesco regularly saw you hug your friend is it ok for him to then throw his arms around you?

[kingston]

Originally Posted by Alf

As long as most of us know that it was a massive overreaction from Roxanne (again), then the truth will out and she'll be the one who comes off the worst out of this.

How do you know it was a “massive overreaction”? You aren’t Roxanne so you have no idea how it made her feel and you don’t have the right to dictate someone else’s personal boundaries...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kingston

That’s your opinion but it doesn’t mean that the behaviour was welcomed...

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. She lied to get him trown out. She said he hurt her, yet she was holding the wrong side. Not the side where ryan was.