[Amy Jade]

I agree even though the big argument was Akeem v Lewis I blame Cameron for most of the nastiness.

He was egging Lewis on and both he and Akeem were drunk (not that it is an excuse but most people are a bit ott when they have had a drink) wheras Cameron doesnt drink so his actions were pretty shady imo

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I agree even though the big argument was Akeem v Lewis I blame Cameron for most of the nastiness.

He was egging Lewis on and both he and Akeem were drunk (not that it is an excuse but most people are a bit ott when they have had a drink) wheras Cameron doesnt drink so his actions were pretty shady imo

Every individual is responsible for their own actions though, and Cameron cannot be blamed for Lewis' choice of actions in the pool, no more than Lewis can be excused as he'd been drinking. In all honesty, Lewis yet again displayed behaviour that he's been guilty of on far too many occasions before.

[Garfie]

I think the dislike of Akeem did begin when he had the most big coins, as it isn't obvious that he is doing anything else worth mentioning to antagonise others so much.

Tomasz and Cameron did have the initial dislike of Akeem, because they believed him to be a game player. However, Tomasz's relationship seems to have improved greatly with Akeem- even when he voted for him this week, his reason was something like he knew he would beat Tomasz in a physical challenge. He can't be blamed for others' dislike of Akeem as they all have their own minds.

Lewis and Cameron were definitely pushing and provoking Akeem today, and both seemed pretty unpleasant- they are clearly feeding off each other in their targetting of him.

My view of Lewis has been deteriorating as the weeks have gone by, but I've tried to be understanding as he clearly has some issues. However, his behaviour tonight has made me feel enough is enough.

Lewis definitely has some good characteristics, but his negative traits are now seriously outweighing any positives for me. I'm now finding it difficult to see him as anything more than an unpleasant messed up little man, who seems to develop extreme hatred of some people well out of proportion to anything they've done.

I do wonder if people would have been so tolerant of him for so long if he had looked like Tomasz?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I think the dislike of Akeem did begin when he had the most big coins, as it isn't obvious that he is doing anything else worth mentioning to antagonise others so much.

Tomasz and Cameron did have the initial dislike of Akeem, because they believed him to be a game player. However, Tomasz's relationship seems to have improved greatly with Akeem- even when he voted for him this week, his reason was something like he knew he would beat Tomasz in a physical challenge. He can't be blamed for others' dislike of Akeem as they all have their own minds.

Lewis and Cameron were definitely pushing and provoking Akeem today, and both seemed pretty unpleasant- they are clearly feeding off each other in their targetting of him.

My view of Lewis has been deteriorating as the weeks have gone by, but I've tried to be understanding as he clearly has some issues. However, his behaviour tonight has made me feel enough is enough.

Lewis definitely has some good characteristics, but his negative traits are now seriously outweighing any positives for me. I'm now finding it difficult to see him as anything more than an unpleasant messed up little man, who seems to develop extreme hatred of some people well out of proportion to anything they've done.

I do wonder if people would have been so tolerant of him for so long if he had looked like Tomasz?

It seems like we've both gone through the same journey with Lewis F, he actually was my favourite at one time, but this past week and a half has just been one big narcissistic coronation for Lewis F and Cameron's friendship and how they treat the other Housemates.

It's almost unwatchable imo because of those two.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I do wonder if people would have been so tolerant of him for so long if he had looked like Tomasz?

Quite. I seriously doubt many would be defending him if this was the case.

Again, may be wrong...given we apparently have to preface everything we post with 'IMO' even though it should be obvious its my ****ing opinion.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite. I seriously doubt many would be defending him if this was the case.

Again, may be wrong...given we apparently have to preface everything we post with 'IMO' even though it should be obvious its my ****ing opinion.

Has someone argued on you about not using “imo” on here tonight? I just tend to use it because I have been pulled up on it in the past so to avoid any possible arguments with other Forum Members I just use it.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Has someone argued on you about not using “imo” on here tonight? I just tend to use it because I have been pulled up on it in the past so to avoid any possible arguments with other Forum Members I just use it.

I tend to always use 'imo', 'I get the impression....' or 'I think..' etc, as I've always felt opinion should be expressed as opinion rather than as if it's a fact.

I think for the reasons you've stated it's a wise and respectful thing to do. I prefer to read such posts over those where forum members state their opinions as if they are facts that cannot be challenged.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I tend to always use 'imo', 'I get the impression....' or 'I think..' etc, as I've always felt opinion should be expressed as opinion rather than as if it's a fact.

I think for the reasons you've stated it's a wise and respectful thing to do. I prefer to read such posts over those where forum members state their opinions as if they are facts that cannot be challenged.

Tbh I'm not really fussed on what posting style other members want to use as long as I can understand what they've posted then it's okay imo.

I do get your point though as some posts have been antagonistic in the past when a member's opinions have been stated as fact.

Although tbf not all posts without “imo” in them are antagonistic in my view but I do get that some people will be like you and see it differently.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Has someone argued on you about not using “imo” on here tonight? I just tend to use it because I have been pulled up on it in the past so to avoid any possible arguments with other Forum Members I just use it.

I have been blasted for posting my opinions as facts.

However, I think OBVIOUSLY my posts are my opinion, so it seems a bit daft to preface everything with IMO...not sure if I am going to start doing it or not but its ****ing annoying that someones moaning about it for sure. They don't tell others to 'IMO' their stuff. It was only because of the housemate I was posting negatively about, IMO

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite. I seriously doubt many would be defending him if this was the case.

Again, may be wrong...given we apparently have to preface everything we post with 'IMO' even though it should be obvious its my ****ing opinion.

He'd be hated if he looked like Tomasz and talked in a voice that was slow enough to understand.

[Niamh.]

I really don't get the problem with Akeem, he seems really nice to me, I think it annoys people in there how unphased and laid back he is. Infact because of that it was even more uncomfortable to see him break a little last night because that is out of character for him so it must be really getting to him now

[Twosugars]

I like and support Tomasz but his silly obsession with Akeem never sat well with me.
Akeem is a nice bloke, sure not perfect (likes to lead unelected) but the guy deserves a break and our support.

[lewys]

the task last night was horrible to watch it was plain bullying with cameron and lewis

[Liam-]

The only person who’s really treated him consistently badly is Tomasz tbh, Cameron is starting to snipe at him more and more, but at the beginning he did seem to defend Akeem against Tomasz at times, I personally don’t really get this whole ‘poor innocent’ Akeem routine people are playing all of a sudden, because when it was Tomasz and Isaac going after him, hardly anyone batted an eyelid, but now he’s had a row with Lewis, he’s suddenly a massive victim? I’m not buying it.