[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

from France?

*Guillotine

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

from France?

From wherever..if that's why they are fleeing then we should be helping them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

From wherever..if that's why they are fleeing then we should be helping them.

They don't need us to help them, as they were in France and had passed through other safe countries.

[bots]

The French and the Brits need to tighten up patrols for sure. However, these are illegal immigrants, it doesn't exclude them from compassion. That's the major problem I have with those complaining.

Take a look at Trump and how he blamed the death of 2 immigrant children on the democrats rather than showing an iota of compassion at this time of year.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They don't need us to help them, as they were in France and had passed through other safe countries.

Well it looks awfully like they do to me...unless you want them drowning at sea?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well it looks awfully like they do to me...unless you want them drowning at sea?

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why even rescue them? A few drownings would discourage others from trying it.

yeah thats exactly what he wants

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well it looks awfully like they do to me...unless you want them drowning at sea?

Depends what you mean by "help" - drop 'em back off in France, sure. We owe them nothing more than that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

*Guillotine

perhaps..

[arista]

UK and France
have agreed to work together
to stop the Illegal's.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I remain convinced that one day you're going to grow up and quit being such a nasty li'l ****er, Oli_W. Like I see potential but...

Why do they need to leave France? It's bit so bad there and so good here that it's worth the illegals risking their lives.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Micky

Can’t help yourself can you TS. What was that about unpleasant posts? Pot and kettle yet again.

Maybe that is something you need to think about - that being concerned about security when allowing undocumented illegal migrants into the country in hostile times automatically makes someone a hateful bigot in your eyes.

Sounds like one of those tiresome liberal elites (as they see themselves) talking down to one of those from the uneducated masses (as they see the opposition) who dared to vote for Brexit. My heart bleeds for you TS. Keep on wallowing!

What's the definition of a liberal elite?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Micky

Can’t help yourself can you TS. What was that about unpleasant posts? Pot and kettle yet again.



Maybe that is something you need to think about - that being concerned about security when allowing undocumented illegal migrants into the country in hostile times automatically makes someone a hateful bigot in your eyes.



Sounds like one of those tiresome liberal elites (as they see themselves) talking down to one of those from the uneducated masses (as they see the opposition) who dared to vote for Brexit. My heart bleeds for you TS. Keep on wallowing!

As ever Brillo, the issue isn't your political stance, it's the disgust and contempt you radiate whilst expressing it. If you don't see that by now then I'm sure you never will. However, this whole thread is giving me 2017-de ja vu and we're almost in 2019 so let's just not.

[Cherie]

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Micky

Because I insisted on a perma-ban as I had had enough of the double-standards on here. You tell us why you think I would have deserved a permaban in all your wisdom Twosugars.

I just wanted an opportunity to put the record straight as know-it-all TS got it wrong insisting I had been Perma-banned for wrong-doing in a previous thread. I am happy now I have clarified the situation and will not return.

I believe Josy to be an honest person and am sure she can confirm that if necessary, in the likely scenario that TS implies he knows everything that goes on behind the scenes. He doesn’t!

Brillo
You and I we argued but also had some civilized exchanges so I can't tell you from my own experience, just repeating what I read at the time (wasn't there a thread about you leaving?). It was confirmed you asked for a perma, but also Vicky said you were close to perma due to your infractions etc.
I see you're keeping well and a happy new year!

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

I think it's to see if they are successful. If yes, I'd imagine they'd want to bring their dependants here to join them

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

The reason there are few children is because of the high risk of death, the reason there are no elderly is because A) They would probably die and B) the elderly are far less likely to be on a quest for a new/better life in the first place. The reason for it being mostly males is probably cultural; usually the idea (realistic though it may not be) is that the men will go and set up a life / make money with an aim of either getting the rest of the family over to join later, or to send money back to the family.

Though the most basic reason is that it's dangerous and young males are inclined to recklessness / feel like they are stronger and tougher than they are realistically and thus have a higher belief that heading across the sea in a small boat in winter is a viable plan.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

There are a few reasons; men are better suited to a long and dangerous trip across to Europe (especially by boats), so there are naturally more women and children in refugee camps.

More women and children actually die making the journey, and the logistics of getting a whole family somewhere together is a lot more difficult than men making the trip on their own and getting past border controls etc.

It's a bit of a right wing trope to only bring up the men making the journey as though they're just desperate to get UK benefits and more rapeable women. I know you were only asking the question, so that wasn't aimed at you.

[Micky]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

A question they cannot/will not answer Cherie because the answer is painfully obvious, so they just try to ignore it and imply the problem lies with those that dare to question!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can someone tell me why the only ones 'fleeing' to the UK are young men, no women, no children, no elderly .....

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I think it's to see if they are successful. If yes, I'd imagine they'd want to bring their dependants here to join them

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The reason there are few children is because of the high risk of death, the reason there are no elderly is because A) They would probably die and B) the elderly are far less likely to be on a quest for a new/better life in the first place. The reason for it being mostly males is probably cultural; usually the idea (realistic though it may not be) is that the men will go and set up a life / make money with an aim of either getting the rest of the family over to join later, or to send money back to the family.

Though the most basic reason is that it's dangerous and young males are inclined to recklessness / feel like they are stronger and tougher than they are realistically and thus have a higher belief that heading across the sea in a small boat in winter is a viable plan.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

There are a few reasons; men are better suited to a long and dangerous trip across to Europe (especially by boats), so there are naturally more women and children in refugee camps.

More women and children actually die making the journey, and the logistics of getting a whole family somewhere together is a lot more difficult than men making the trip on their own and getting past border controls etc.

It's a bit of a right wing trope to only bring up the men making the journey as though they're just desperate to get UK benefits and more rapeable women. I know you were only asking the question, so that wasn't aimed at you.

Originally Posted by Micky

A question they cannot/will not answer Cherie because the answer is painfully obvious, so they just try to ignore it and imply the problem lies with those that dare to question!

Why won't they answer the blummin' questions?!

[The Slim Reaper]

Ahh Micky you're so blind, pushing all those right-wing lies. Hey Micky (clap, clap, clap) Hey micky (Clap, clap clap)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Micky

A question they cannot/will not answer Cherie because the answer is painfully obvious, so they just try to ignore it and imply the problem lies with those that dare to question!

tbf the question was answered and I reread the articles again,there were actually 5 kids in different vessels

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why won't they answer the blummin' questions?!

The only acceptable answer is "For rape and terrorism" and apparently anything else is invisible ink.

[Micky]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Brillo
You and I we argued but also had some civilized exchanges so I can't tell you from my own experience, just repeating what I read at the time (wasn't there a thread about you leaving?). It was confirmed you asked for a perma, but also Vicky said you were close to perma due to your infractions etc.
I see you're keeping well and a happy new year!

That’s rather funny given that, as already mentioned, I had to insist. It is also why I, and others, repeatedly felt there were double-standards being practiced and an imbalance in the infraction system. Hey-ho you were on the ‘right side’ of that so are unlikely to have had the same experiences.

Anyway happy new year to you and to those that do understand where I was coming from. I have said my piece and will leave you to it. Have fun.

[Cherie]

I still don't agree with people 'fleeing' France though, or passing safe countries

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I still don't agree with people 'fleeing' France though, or passing safe countries

How "safe" is it if you don't have access to adequate food or, in the middle of winter, shelter? And little to no prospect of that situation improving? Are people supposed to huddle in their tents and accept their fate because they're not being bombed or shot at? Would you accept it for you or your own family?

Obviously, no, we can't take in all of the world's poor and oppressed; it's not logistically possible, it would destroy our economy, and there have to be sensible policies in place. I think, in general, people understand that. But trying to pass the buck to the people who are living existences that you can't even imagine, as if they have some sort of moral responsibility to "stay where they are because it's safe", is a bit much. It's just disingenuous too because I think deep down everyone knows that in the same desperate situation the vast majority of people would do the exact same thing and try to "find something better".

Also, yes, often they HAVE been mislead to believe that the UK is a "land of milk and honey" and have unrealistic expectations of what life will be like for them here, but that's not their fault either! It's a myth that's spread deliberately by the people who are taking money (often, everything people have) to get them in. And of course as that idea spreads, more and more people decide to take matters into their own hands and make the crossing in small groups in boats that can't actually make the journey, and those people end up needing rescued. The idea that they "deserve everything they get" for daring to try to enter precious Britain is just abhorrent.