[Crimson Dynamo]

Its happening

[Oliver_W]

"We don't want to be in the UK, we want to make our own laws!!!! We want to be in the EU!!!"

Kay.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"We don't want to be in the UK, we want to make our own laws!!!! We want to be in the EU!!!"

Kay.

[LaLaLand]

Didn't y'all already vote and it came back a no?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

Didn't y'all already vote and it came back a no?

yes and as things have changed we wish to vote again

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and as things have changed we wish to vote again

Don't you want out of the EU though? so basically you would be voting to go back in again

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't you want out of the EU though? so basically you would be voting to go back in again

Not quite the same but as an independent country you have to make different choices

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not quite the same but as an independent country you have to make different choices

I think it will take years for them to accept you so it will be fine, personally I would be happy for Scotland to go

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and as things have changed we wish to vote again

but didnt you say we have already voted for brexit in a ref so we shouldnt vote again as that would be undemocratic

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

but didnt you say we have already voted for brexit in a ref so we shouldnt vote again as that would be undemocratic

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

but didnt you say we have already voted for brexit in a ref so we shouldnt vote again as that would be undemocratic

totally incomparable

just because its a vote thing does not mean you can put both side by side

it just does not work

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

Didn't y'all already vote and it came back a no?

leaving the EU is a big thing, even though they would still be leaving the EU as they would have to reapply to join and its not a foregone conclusion they would be accepted

[Captain.Remy]

Get ha out!

[Firewire]

I would vote yes this time around, I think a lot of people will have changed their minds

[MTVN]

Trying to reconcile LTs support for UKIP and Brexit and hostility to a second referendum with his support for the SNP and another Scottish referendum

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Trying to reconcile LTs support for UKIP and Brexit and hostility to a second referendum with his support for the SNP and another Scottish referendum

Typical imperialist English thinking

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Trying to reconcile LTs support for UKIP and Brexit and hostility to a second referendum with his support for the SNP and another Scottish referendum

He moves in mysterious ways, MTVN.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hi Scotland

do you want to be ruled by the abject wankers in the Tory or Labour party who dont give a flying fck about you and are the worst politicians on the planet?

Scotland: No id rather inject battery acid up my urethra


yes wins

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Hi Scotland

do you want to be ruled by the abject wankers in the Tory or Labour party who dont give a flying fck about you and are the worst politicians on the planet?

Scotland: No id rather inject battery acid up my urethra


yes wins

Feel The Force

[Livia]

The last one, in 2014, was a "once in a lifetime" referendum.

Who knew five years represented a lifetime?

[Livia]

Once another referendum is called we could ask TS to make a book on how long after a "leave" result will Scotland cancel free tuition fees, free elderly care, free prescriptions etc. etc.?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Once another referendum is called we could ask TS to make a book on how long after a "leave" result will Scotland cancel free tuition fees, free elderly care, free prescriptions etc. etc.?

At this point I'd actually lowkey advocate for only partially funded University fees (at the same level as now but allowing Universities to charge as much again covered by loan) because increased funding for Universities can only be a good thing, and I think there's a slight issue at the moment with Universities taking on more students than they can realistically teach well in order to cover costs as they can't increase fees. That said, I'd cap them at around £4k other than for intensive courses like medicine, dentistry, law, maybe heavy engineering courses etc. because the £9k fees in England for basic Arts Faculty bachelors degrees are utterly ludicrous.

I also think the situation with prescriptions is actually fine in England; free to those on low income (I'm not sure if everyone realises that this is the case in the rest of the UK. There are huge flaws with the "free for all" prescriptions model... it's a disproportionate financial burden when the money could be much better spent elsewhere in the NHS. Especially with people filling prescriptions that they don't even need, to have them sit in a medicine cupboard gathering dust. It might also make people think twice about over-using antibiotics, if they had to pay for them. I'd make an exception for people with lifelong conditions like type 1 diabetes though, with a cap on medication costs per month no matter what their income is.

Elderly care is of course a thread in itself because we (the entire western world) have an aging population and we're ALL kind of ****ed when it comes to care of the elderly and pensions .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

At this point I'd actually lowkey advocate for only partially funded University fees (at the same level as now but allowing Universities to charge as much again covered by loan) because increased funding for Universities can only be a good thing, and I think there's a slight issue at the moment with Universities taking on more students than they can realistically teach well in order to cover costs as they can't increase fees. That said, I'd cap them at around £4k other than for intensive courses like medicine, dentistry, law, maybe heavy engineering courses etc. because the £9k fees in England for basic Arts Faculty bachelors degrees are utterly ludicrous.

I also think the situation with prescriptions is actually fine in England; free to those on low income (I'm not sure if everyone realises that this is the case in the rest of the UK. There are huge flaws with the "free for all" prescriptions model... it's a disproportionate financial burden when the money could be much better spent elsewhere in the NHS. Especially with people filling prescriptions that they don't even need, to have them sit in a medicine cupboard gathering dust. It might also make people think twice about over-using antibiotics, if they had to pay for them. I'd make an exception for people with lifelong conditions like type 1 diabetes though, with a cap on medication costs per month no matter what their income is.

Elderly care is of course a thread in itself because we (the entire western world) have an aging population and we're ALL kind of ****ed when it comes to care of the elderly and pensions .

Ours are capped at €3k here

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

At this point I'd actually lowkey advocate for only partially funded University fees (at the same level as now but allowing Universities to charge as much again covered by loan) because increased funding for Universities can only be a good thing, and I think there's a slight issue at the moment with Universities taking on more students than they can realistically teach well in order to cover costs as they can't increase fees. That said, I'd cap them at around £4k other than for intensive courses like medicine, dentistry, law, maybe heavy engineering courses etc. because the £9k fees in England for basic Arts Faculty bachelors degrees are utterly ludicrous.

I also think the situation with prescriptions is actually fine in England; free to those on low income (I'm not sure if everyone realises that this is the case in the rest of the UK. There are huge flaws with the "free for all" prescriptions model... it's a disproportionate financial burden when the money could be much better spent elsewhere in the NHS. Especially with people filling prescriptions that they don't even need, to have them sit in a medicine cupboard gathering dust. It might also make people think twice about over-using antibiotics, if they had to pay for them. I'd make an exception for people with lifelong conditions like type 1 diabetes though, with a cap on medication costs per month no matter what their income is.

Elderly care is of course a thread in itself because we (the entire western world) have an aging population and we're ALL kind of ****ed when it comes to care of the elderly and pensions .

That last para... it IS a thread in itself. And what a bloody mess it is. It's distressing to see how elderly and frail people are treated. Families used to take care of their own, but now everyone lives miles away from each other and let's face it, some families just don't want to take care of an elderly relative. It's a worry. It's off-topic... but it's still a worry.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Families used to take care of their own, but now everyone lives miles away from each other and let's face it, some families just don't want to take care of an elderly relative. It's a worry. It's off-topic... but it's still a worry.

I think changed circumstances with work are a huge factor as well... my grandparents-in-law are all over 80 now and one of her grandads needs full time care, but her parents both work full time as does her uncle who lives nearby so there's no one who even COULD be a full time carer if they wanted to. And the quality of care varies so widely from home to home it's bewildering, and doesn't even seem usually related to cost. Some NHS homes are great some are shameful. Some private places are top notch, others put on a good facade when there are eyes on them but then are just as bad as anywhere else when there's no one watching. And the costs per week are just mind-boggling.

Thankfully(...? I guess that sounds bad ) the only relative I have that's older than my sister (36) is my dad (64)... and his new wife is 39 so he's her problem! She knew what she was getting into . I do find it an odd choice really. I mean, I know you can't choose who you fall in love with, and he's not "old" for 64 or anything... but realistically, she's got like 5 - 10 years of a normal marriage and then 10+ of being a carer?

**** I hope my dad doesn't secretly read TiBB. Haaa...