[Livia]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

Fair enough but I was referring to contemporary blackface and how people these days use blackface. I’m allowed to be shocked at something that offends me Liv. You have to agree that racism is very much prevelant to this day and back then black people took most of the brunt when it comes discrimination.

I know this: Jews are the most abused minority in the UK right now. But like I said, I've never heard of a Jew complaining because someone made their face up like a Jew to play Shylock. It's not only black people who face discrimination and if you're going to change the past as well as the future, you've got to do it for all minority groups, not just black people.

What did you think about my comment about a white West End star refused permission to sing a song from Dream Girls because she's white? If a black woman was refused the right to sing a song purely based on the colour of her skin there would quite rightly be uproar. But this story seems to have been accepted as normal.

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know this: Jews are the most abused minority in the UK right now. But like I said, I've never heard of a Jew complaining because someone made their face up like a Jew to play Shylock. It's not only black people who face discrimination and if you're going to change the past as well as the future, you've got to do it for all minority groups, not just black people.

What did you think about my comment about a white West End star refused permission to sing a song from Dream Girls because she's white? If a black woman was refused the right to sing a song purely based on the colour of her skin there would quite rightly be uproar. But this story seems to have been accepted as normal.

Let’s just lay it all on the table and agree that we will never achieve the right amount of equality whether someone is male/female, black/white whatever. My focus was on the blackface but I guess you can see it from different standpoints. I just think that discrimination against black people is much more common but what do I know

I’ve never heard about the dream girls thing but it’s extremely wrong they did that. But I feel like this was a one off and not something that would be considered common. Nonetheless it’s wrong that she did get rejected for that reason

[Nicky91]

my point of that post was, our ''zwarte piet'' discussion was first, and this blackface discussion now is really similar to that

i'm not a racist myself, the blackface thing is wrong, but ''zwarte piet'' it was for a children's holiday in december, with sinterklaas something what i've loved going to when i was a kid

it was more soot bc of the piets Climbing through the chimneys to bring presents to the children what they wanted from their wishlists

but that Sylvana woman, URGH bc of her (no one else ever complained before her) it is banned now ''zwarte piet'' but now they are called ''soot piets'' white with a bit of soot here and there on their faces, the children's holiday on tv (arrival of sinterklaas) didn't look as great as it had been last year

[Livia]

I understand that Zwarte Piet is supposed to be a Moor, like Othello. White actors have blacked up to play them. I don't understand the problem. I mean, it's not meant to be insulting. Unless they're saying only black actors can play black parts. But what about non-Jews playing Shylock? Plenty of actors have worn a big Jewish nose to play Shylock. I don't find that insulting.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Does this mean that no white person would ever dress up as a black celeb for say Halloween?