[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A Japanese argument

This is a rather quirky argument, and not normally put forward.

Japan uses the death penalty sparingly, executing approximately 3 prisoners per year.

A unique justification for keeping capital punishment has been put forward by some Japanese psychologists who argue that it has an important psychological part to play in the life of the Japanese, who live under severe stress and pressure in the workplace.

The argument goes that the death penalty reinforces the belief that bad things happen to those who deserve it. This reinforces the contrary belief; that good things will happen to those who are 'good'.

In this way, the existence of capital punishment provides a psychological release from conformity and overwork by reinforcing the hope that there will be a reward in due time.

Oddly, this argument seems to be backed up by Japanese public opinion. Those who are in favour currently comprise 81% of the population, or that is the official statistic. Nonetheless there is also a small but increasingly vociferous abolitionist movement in Japan.

source: bbc ethics

Is this supposed to be an argument for?

LT supporting conformity, brainwashing and psychological stress.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kenneth E. Hartman, prisoner serving a sentence of life in prison without parole for murder and Executive Director of The Other Death Penalty Project, stated the following in his 2008 essay titled "The Other Death Penalty," available at theotherdeathpenalty.org:

"I was sentenced to the quieter, less troublesome death penalty, the one too many of those well-meaning activists bandy about as the sensible alternative to state-sanctioned execution: life without the possibility of parole…

I have often wondered if that 15 or 20 minutes of terror found to be cruel and unusual wouldn't be a better option.

There is more to it than the mere physical act of imprisonment, much more. The more than 3,000 life without parole prisoners in this state [California] also enter a rough justice kind of limbo existence. We are condemned to serve out our lives in the worst (maximum security) prisons, which otherwise are specifically designed to be punitive. This means, in practice, rehabilitative and restorative type programs, the kind of programs that can bring healing and meaning to a prisoner's life, are generally not available to us. The thinking goes that since we will never get out of prison there is no point in expending scarce resources on dead men walking…

I agree that state-sanctioned execution is morally repugnant. I do not agree that a life devoid of any possibility of restoration is a reasonable or humane alternative. It simply is not. A death penalty by any other name is as cruel, as violent, and as wrong... Both forms of the death penalty need to be discarded in a truly just society."

https://deathpenalty.procon.org/view...stionID=001017

[Tom4784]

Japan has a ****ed up view in a lot of things and they have one of the highest suicide rates in the world, I love Japan but you can't hold up many of it's soceital views as a good example of anything.

Peadophillia is not only lightly punished in Japan but it's also used as a damn marketing tool, sexual assault rates are sky high yet rarely prosecuted and work related deaths are so common that Japan is one of the few countries in a world to term their own phrase for it, Karōshi.

You've also got a pandemic in which care for the elderly is so bad that retired people are comitting crimes just so they can have a roof over their heads in prison. I won't even go into the LGBT issues since it's just bizarre how Japan is equally open to LGBT relationships but opposed to it as well.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Support for the DP in the USA is on the increase

[Elliot]

I've never understood why people draw this moral line at killing people and not locking them away from the world for the rest of their lives to dwell on their fate and actions? people clearly aren't against the death penalty because its an 'easy escape' for the criminal lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I've never understood why people draw this moral line at killing people and not locking them away from the world for the rest of their lives to dwell on their fate and actions? people clearly aren't against the death penalty because its an 'easy escape' for the criminal lol

A life sentence can be overturned if new evidence comes to light, you can't overturn a death sentence once it's been carried out.

For me, murdering someone for murder is just hypocritical.

[Crimson Dynamo]

USA 2018

25 perps executed

Average age executed: 53 years

Average age of crime: 29 years

Average time betwixt the 2: 24 years

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Support for the DP in the USA is on the increase

I am surprised, given their Presidency and proclivity towards gun violence I was under the impression they made rational and good decisions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I am surprised, given their Presidency and proclivity towards gun violence I was under the impression they made rational and good decisions.

well you love their film,tv and music output so I guess that makes you quite the fan

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well you love their film,tv and music output so I guess that makes you quite the fan

They make a lot of quality TV.

Can give or take their music output.

Their movie output is 50/50.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yet still it's murder.

It can’t be classed as murder as it is legal in some states of America.

It’s punishment for their crimes if they never purposefully ended someone’s life then they would not be losing their life.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It can’t be classed as murder as it is legal in some states of America.

It’s punishment for their crimes if they never purposefully ended someone’s life then they would not be losing their life.

Including the wrongly convicted, you know, who never purposefully ended someone's life.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It can’t be classed as murder as it is legal in some states of America.

It’s punishment for their crimes if they never purposefully ended someone’s life then they would not be losing their life.

Killing someone and intending to do so is murder in my eyes, it doesn't matter if the backwards states still endorse it or not.

Responding to murder with murder is the ultimate hypocrisy, you can't be morally outraged about murder then endorse doing the same to the murderer, it's foolishness.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The death penalty is pointless and barbaric.

But many want it
Parliament scared to debate it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

But many want it
Parliament scared to debate it.

Who gives a ****? People have all kind of ridiculous, selfish, and backward wants. Should we pander to all of them?

[Cherie]

No too many innocents have been incarcerated in the past

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Does the fact that we keep murders alive, sentence them to life that does not mean they will die in prison.

Does this make the world a better place to live in?

Does not killing them make us a better person.

Would you support the death sentence being brought back.

Would the money that we spend on murders keeping them in prison supporting monitoring them after release be better spent on the victims families.

We could use them to experiment on,much better than using beautiful animals.
They could then give back to society what they took away.

[Tom4784]

Yeah, encouraging human testing on people against their will, that's not some 1984 dictatorship level bull**** at all...

I think conversations like this always reveal what people are truly like because it shows how malicious and monstrous a person can be when they think they won't be judged for it.

[joeysteele]

I don't support the death penalty.

There are cases where I would lose no sleep at all if the murderers were executed.
However, there is no way I could support the return of the death penalty.

I agree with Livia when she points out the error element and I further agree that in prison, conditions should be harsher.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so its fine we lock up innocent people but not that we kill them?

nice

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so its fine we lock up innocent people but not that we kill them?

nice

One’s reversible, the other isn’t.

[Beso]

I changed my mind to depends on the crime....some sadistic people, obviously need somehow to feel the pain they have caused on innocent people....


To explain this I can only draw on the experience of watching horrid **** on the Web, like isis videos or Mexican stuff...I felt less horrified by videos of rapists and child killers being brutalised than I did captured soldiers from whatever side....


I don't watch **** like that anymore, or say if a guy had killed my son with one punch I wouldn't be wanting him put to death for that.


But you know the script, nasty nasty crimes and the criminals need put down like a biting dog.

[Beso]

The bradys should have been hung on the spot, if only to save the parents of the children to hear their name ever mentioned again.


It ain't our business that they did that, or any other child killer. That is such a private matter that it should never be made public..if possible.

The punishment in cases like that; or this case in bute (I think) should, and would if I had my way, be solely down to the parents judgement within a three year period.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I don't watch **** like that anymore, or say if a guy had killed my son with one punch I wouldn't be wanting him put to death for that.

But in cases like that, wouldn't he be charged with manslaughter.

Murder is about intent.

[Beso]

True..