[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Here's a good article for balance

http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/11/...uilty-as-hell/

Nah this is a really poor article, all he does is gloss over the evidence provided by Kathleen and giving generalization and tries to make it sound implausible.

First off, viewers still have to accept that Halbach’s body was moved onto Avery’s property by members of the Manitowoc, Wisconsin police department, or someone else hoping to frame him, then burned in a firepit in front of his home—with other murder tools belonging to Avery—without anyone on the busy property noticing.

Kathleen said bone fragments were found in a third place - the Manitowoc gravel pit, the bones (or what was remaining) was then dumped on Avery’s property, a body wasn’t moved, just the remnants

But the viewer is also asked to believe that police (or some steely nerved mastermind killer who, as far as we know, has never struck before or after) snuck into the Avery home, and not only planted the keys to Halbach’s car in his trailer but also planted Avery’s non-blood DNA onto those keys (as Zellner claims).

The police didn’t need to “sneak in” the key was found on the 3rd or 4th (can’t remember entirely) search of the property, and the original police officers who searched the property said the key was NOT there in the first place, there was also no other DNA on the key apart from Stevens, why wouldn’t there be a trace of Therese’s DNA on the key? Unless it had been scrubbed and the dna planted, DNA found on her car key included too many cells to be transferred by simply holding the key too

She says someone also planted Avery’s non-blood DNA evidence on the inside latch of the trunk of Halbach’s car (and blood in half a dozen places elsewhere in the car) after dumping the car on the property without anyone noticing. All of it before the police showed up.

This one is actually quite funny, because when you watch the show they do an experiment to measure the amount of DNA on the hood latch by recreating someone touching a latch in similar fashion. So basically they do the experiment three times and measure the amount of DNA on the latch each time. In the lab the results showed that in order for the amount of DNA to have been transferred onto the hood latch Steven would have had touch it *90* times. Why/how would that be possible?

This means that that cops, or another murderer, got their hands on a rifle that hung over Avery’s bed, fired it without any of the family’s knowledge, shot a woman in the garage without anyone’s knowledge (or maybe they transported Avery’s gun somewhere else and shot her), then also planted the forensic evidence without anyone’s knowledge. All before the police showed up.

This just doesn’t make sense in terms of his argument, he’s saying it’s ridiculous that the body was moved, but if she was shot/killed in his garage why is there no blood splatter or DNA in the garage to back it up?


BASICALLY niamh, everything in that article is a load of ****e

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Nah this is a really poor article, all he does is gloss over the evidence provided by Kathleen and giving generalization and tries to make it sound implausible.







Kathleen said bone fragments were found in a third place - the Manitowoc gravel pit, the bones (or what was remaining) was then dumped on Avery’s property, a body wasn’t moved, just the remnants







The police didn’t need to “sneak in” the key was found on the 3rd or 4th (can’t remember entirely) search of the property, and the original police officers who searched the property said the key was NOT there in the first place, there was also no other DNA on the key apart from Stevens, why wouldn’t there be a trace of Therese’s DNA on the key? Unless it had been scrubbed and the dna planted, DNA found on her car key included too many cells to be transferred by simply holding the key too







This one is actually quite funny, because when you watch the show they do an experiment to measure the amount of DNA on the hood latch by recreating someone touching a latch in similar fashion. So basically they do the experiment three times and measure the amount of DNA on the latch each time. In the lab the results showed that in order for the amount of DNA to have been transferred onto the hood latch Steven would have had touch it *90* times. Why/how would that be possible?







This just doesn’t make sense in terms of his argument, he’s saying it’s ridiculous that the body was moved, but if she was shot/killed in his garage why is there no blood splatter or DNA in the garage to back it up?





BASICALLY niamh, everything in that article is a load of ****e

He also cleaned his really messy **** heap of a garage with bleach just recently

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He also cleaned his really messy **** heap of a garage with bleach just recently

Can’t have done it that well if he didn’t get rid of the bullets

Either way, there would have still been blood on the walls/ceiling if she was shot in there, he wouldn’t have been able to remove all traces

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He also cleaned his really messy **** heap of a garage with bleach just recently

Omg, he's on day release?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Omg, he's on day release?

recently in relation to the murder

[Glenn.]

Just shut up with your stupid opinion Nimah he’s innocent

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Just shut up with your stupid opinion Nimah he’s innocent

People could atleast read the other side not just swallow Netflixs narrative. The amazing Kathleen Zellner only agreed to take the case after the documentary made him famous, she'd been ignoring his case for 4 years previous ....probably because she knew he was guilty as sin

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People could atleast read the other side not just swallow Netflixs narrative. The amazing Kathleen Zellner only agreed to take the case after the documentary made him famous, she'd been ignoring his case for 4 years previous ....probably because she knew he was guilty as sin

How dare you speak ill of Kathleen. She says in s2 that she wouldn’t have taken the case if she believed he was guilty. And she literally ripped the case to pieces. She is a queen.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

How dare you speak ill of Kathleen. She says in s2 that she wouldn’t have taken the case if she believed he was guilty. And she literally ripped the case to pieces. She is a queen.

How dd she rip the case to pieces? By trying to blame Brendans brother? Read the article I posted or continue to defend an animal torturing, paedo rapist, whatever

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How dd she rip the case to pieces? By trying to blame Brendans brother? Read the article I posted or continue to defend an animal torturing, paedo rapist, whatever

Ok I will

[Marsh.]

Ok I have my doubts about Avery.

But don't you DARE start on our Kath!!!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Ok I have my doubts about Avery.

But don't you DARE start on our Kath!!!

It's ok I don't blame her for wanting a bit of lime light

[Glenn.]

Still think he’s innocent

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Still think he’s innocent

Well you weren't really reading (if you even did read it) with an open mind were you? I don't know why people are so eager for him to be innocent anyway, he's a disgusting man regardless of whether he did this or not (he did)

And yes after watching Series 1 I was convinced he was innocent too

[Cal.]

Guilty

[Marsh.]

Glenn you're being silly. Don't be silly.

[Glenn.]

After watching series 2 I’m even more convinced he’s innocent.

The blood found in her car was literally planted in the car. Blood splatter experts confirmed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

After watching series 2 I’m even more convinced he’s innocent.

The blood found in her car was literally planted in the car. Blood splatter experts confirmed.

You realise you can get blood splatter experts to confirm anything you want, don't you? Have you watched The Staircase?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Have you watched The Staircase?

Yes every morning just after I walked down in

[The Slim Reaper]

[Marsh.]

Not Niamh dragging Duane Deaver into it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not Niamh dragging Duane Deaver into it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The most baffling and frustrating documentary I've seen.

Do you believe he killed his wife?

I went back and forth. A lot.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The most baffling and frustrating documentary I've seen.

Do you believe he killed his wife?

I went back and forth. A lot.

Well, while watching it I was still kind of smarting from feeling duped in the Avery case, so I kind of went in with a bit of a biased view thinking they're going to try to convince me he didn't do it and he probably did, so I decided to watch it, then look up what they left out etc and I really don't think he did do it. There's a bizarre theory involving an owl that weirdly sounds like it could be an answer to what happened

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, while watching it I was still kind of smarting from feeling duped in the Avery case, so I kind of went in with a bit of a biased view thinking they're going to try to convince me he didn't do it and he probably did, so I decided to watch it, then look up what they left out etc and I really don't think he did do it. There's a bizarre theory involving an owl that weirdly sounds like it could be an answer to what happened

Yeah, when watching it I couldn't get my head around that theory.

But it's certainly more plausible than the scenario they kept throwing out, that she fell down the stairs and then kept trying to get up and repeatedly slipped in a pool of her own blood, banging her head against the wall several times. That made him look guilty as sin. But his general demeanour was very cold to me, I definitely don't think his relationship was as open and pleasant as he tried to portray. But obviously, being a prick who shagged around and treated his wife like dirt doesn't mean he killed her. But then there's the whole contrivance/convenience with the poker being found. A baffling case.

Though I did find it quite sad when he was finally released, just how frail and beaten he seemed after all those years.

I pitied the kids. (And Margaret was the SPITTING IMAGE of his son!! ).