[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id imagine the body went into the foundations for a new build and was concreted over

Yes, could well be that.

[Liam-]

If they were on benefits, or black, they’d have had the other kids taken off of them for the very blatant neglect they showed towards their children, yes their child was allegedly kidnapped, but even if that’s true, that child wouldn’t have been kidnapped if they had been better parents, so why they’re treated like the ultimate victims is quite bizarre to me.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If they were on benefits, or black, they’d have had the other kids taken off of them for the very blatant neglect they showed towards their children, yes their child was allegedly kidnapped, but even if that’s true, that child wouldn’t have been kidnapped if they had been better parents, so why they’re treated like the ultimate victims is quite bizarre to me.

Yup.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If they were on benefits, or black, they’d have had the other kids taken off of them for the very blatant neglect they showed towards their children, yes their child was allegedly kidnapped, but even if that’s true, that child wouldn’t have been kidnapped if they had been better parents, so why they’re treated like the ultimate victims is quite bizarre to me.

Exactly
Who in their right mind leaves 3 BABIES alone, in a foreign country in an apartment alone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they went for supper

saying they went drinking is pure tabloid rubbish

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they went for supper

saying they went drinking is pure tabloid rubbish

Considering they themselves said they ordered wine that night, its not tabloid rubbish at all really is it. Unless you're accusing them of lying??

[Redway]

Anyone know when this is going to be over?

[thesheriff443]

You can be in the same room as your child and they can die of an accident or foul play
Parents make mistakes

We don’t know how much of an impact those kids being left alone had until we know who was responsible for what happened to maddie

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can be in the same room as your child and they can die of an accident or foul play
Parents make mistakes

We don’t know how much of an impact those kids being left alone had until we know who was responsible for what happened to maddie

Children can drown in the same pool as a parent that doesn't mean that you just leave them swim unsupervised, that would be deliberately neglectful

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Children can drown in the same pool as a parent that doesn't mean that you just leave them swim unsupervised, that would be deliberately neglectful

You are taking what I said down a different route

Kids could be playing in the garden and the parent popping outside every so often to check on them, there is a grey area

It’s only when things go wrong that things come out.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You are taking what I said down a different route



Kids could be playing in the garden and the parent popping outside every so often to check on them, there is a grey area



It’s only when things go wrong that things come out.

I'm not taking it to a different area at all

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not taking it too a different area at all

You are by coming up with a scenario of deliberate neglect

It’s not deliberate neglect in the McCann case because they were checking on them, if they just left them in a room and went out for the night it would be deliberate neglect

[AnnieK]

If a person lived across the road from a pub and had 3 kids under 3 and went to the pub every night to eat and for a few drinks leaving the kids unattended. If a fire then broke out in between checking on the kids and they perished in a fire....do you not think that would be neglect as they were being checked on?

[rusticgal]

They were guilty of neglect…sitting in a restaurant some distance away leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment was unforgivable. Personally I don’t believe they killed her…but their neglect was the reason someone was able to take her. Had they been with them it would simply not have happened.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

They were guilty of neglect…sitting in a restaurant some distance away leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment was unforgivable. Personally I don’t believe they killed her…but their neglect was the reason someone was able to take her. Had they been with them it would simply not have happened.

Saying that if they had been with them it would never of happened can’t be proven

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Saying that if they had been with them it would never of happened can’t be proven

Sitting in a small apartment...they would have heard noises. Its not like it was a BIG place.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If a person lived across the road from a pub and had 3 kids under 3 and went to the pub every night to eat and for a few drinks leaving the kids unattended. If a fire then broke out in between checking on the kids and they perished in a fire....do you not think that would be neglect as they were being checked on?

The problem is you are making up different versions of the events to gain ground
You can only judge on that one situation

For example, was James bulger’s mum guilty of neglect because he got separated from his mum while shopping

Was she more interested in shopping than keeping an eye on her son


It’s easier to judge than it is to be judged

Every one who drives has been over the speed limit at one point in time, it’s only when some thing goes wrong while speeding that one hey become the devil

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The problem is you are making up different versions of the events to gain ground
You can only judge on that one situation

For example, was James bulger’s mum guilty of neglect because he got separated from his mum while shopping

Was she more interested in shopping than keeping an eye on her son


It’s easier to judge than it is to be judged

Every one who drives has been over the speed limit at one point in time, it’s only when some thing goes wrong while speeding that one hey become the devil

But Sheriff...JB abduction was very unfortunate. I lost my 3 year old in Marks and Spencers..darting into a clothes rail to hide...it took seconds!! To leave children out of sight remember..120 metres and a minutes walk away in an unlocked apartment is just unacceptable...and simply negligent.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If a person lived across the road from a pub and had 3 kids under 3 and went to the pub every night to eat and for a few drinks leaving the kids unattended. If a fire then broke out in between checking on the kids and they perished in a fire....do you not think that would be neglect as they were being checked on?

The case of the lady who popped out to the shop for five minutes and her kids burned to death just before Christmas I think she was arrested

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021...don-house-fire

no sign of the McCanns being arrested is there

[Cherie]

I think the worst part of this for me is Maddie telling them she felt scared the night before but they still went out.... that does not smack of good parenting

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think the worst part of this for me is Maddie telling them she felt scared the night before but they still went out.... that does not smack of good parenting

Yeah exactly, taking all possible risk out of it just your child being scared and alone is surely enough reason not to do that?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly, taking all possible risk out of it just your child being scared and alone is surely enough reason not to do that?

My daughter would lose her **** if she woke up in the night on holiday and we were nowhere to be found, and she's 12 .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The case of the lady who popped out to the shop for five minutes and her kids burned to death just before Christmas I think she was arrested

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021...don-house-fire

no sign of the McCanns being arrested is there

The absolutely bizarre thing is, if she HAD gone out and fallen in the pool and drowned, or if a fire had broken out and the kids were stuck inside, I reckon they absolutely would have faced charges. Apparently being abducted is somehow different. Why? Surely what happened is irrelevant, the point is that something bad happened and it happened because they weren't there.

[AnnieK]

I don't think my analogy is that different. In both scenarios the parents are checking on the children but are not there all the time but only a sort way away. In both circumstances something happens to the children that puts them in danger that could have been avoided if they were present in the property. How is one different to the other.

Bringing up James Bulger is trying to win ground...a mum doing her shopping a dropping the hand of her child for a moment and him being snatched by evil kids who were planning to smatch someone is very very different to what the McCanns did.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think my analogy is that different. In both scenarios the parents are checking on the children but are not there all the time but only a sort way away. In both circumstances something happens to the children that puts them in danger that could have been avoided if they were present in the property. How is one different to the other.

Bringing up James Bulger is trying to win ground...a mum doing her shopping a dropping the hand of her child for a moment and him being snatched by evil kids who were planning to smatch someone is very very different to what the McCanns did.

I’m not trying to gain ground I’m giving you an example of a situation that is questionable like you are doing.

In your life time how many kids have disappeared kidnapped killed while on holiday ? Its virtually unheard of.

People on holiday tend to relax and let their guard down and act differently to how they would at jome