[Oliver_W]

7/11 was a part time job!!1111!!!

[Livia]

Check everything. That's my advice.

[Tom4784]

You can't compare what is essentially a person's (or organisation or government's) take on something to scientific fact. The former is driven by agenda and is never really a fact and the latter is irrefutable and factual.

People disregarding facts is why antivaxxers and flat earthers exist.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You can't compare what is essentially a person's (or organisation or government's) take on something to scientific fact. The former is driven by agenda and is never really a fact and the latter is irrefutable and factual.

People disregarding facts is why antivaxxers and flat earthers exist.

Was about to say exactly that.

Never compare science facts with politics

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The former is driven by agenda and is never really a fact and the latter is irrefutable and factual.

This is actually not how science works at all... scientific theorems shift, change, evolve and come in and out of general consensus constantly. There's no such thing as irrefutable science... in fact, being available for criticism and peer review is an essential part OF science, and considering any scientific observation to be "unquestionable fact" isn't science, but dogma, and about as unscientific as it gets.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is actually not how science works at all... scientific theorems shift, change, evolve and come in and out of general consensus constantly. There's no such thing as irrefutable science... in fact, being available for criticism and peer review is an essential part OF science, and considering any scientific observation to be "unquestionable fact" isn't science, but dogma, and about as unscientific as it gets.

But in terms of 'does space exist', that **** is irrefutable. I'm talking about baseline facts that form the backbone of our reality, the earth is not flat, oxygen is a thing even though we can't see it, space is vast and exists etc.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But in terms of 'does space exist', that **** is irrefutable. I'm talking about baseline facts that form the backbone of our reality, the earth is not flat, oxygen is a thing even though we can't see it, space is vast and exists etc.

Well yes. Or 99.9% I suppose. Theoretically, every aspect of perception is just neurons firing and everything could be an illusion, we might be in a huge simulation in an existence that bears absolutely no similarity to this one, and the entire concept of the universe could be the imaginings of the great Lizard Race who control the system from their giant flat earth that floats through a neon cloud of energy.

... I mean it's not likely but still...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes. Or 99.9% I suppose. Theoretically, every aspect of perception is just neurons firing and everything could be an illusion, we might be in a huge simulation in an existence that bears absolutely no similarity to this one, and the entire concept of the universe could be the imaginings of the great Lizard Race who control the system from their giant flat earth that floats through a neon cloud of energy.

... I mean it's not likely but still...

don't give people ideas TS

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes. Or 99.9% I suppose. Theoretically, every aspect of perception is just neurons firing and everything could be an illusion, we might be in a huge simulation in an existence that bears absolutely no similarity to this one, and the entire concept of the universe could be the imaginings of the great Lizard Race who control the system from their giant flat earth that floats through a neon cloud of energy.

... I mean it's not likely but still...

That sounds more like existential philosophy than anything scientific though.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is actually not how science works at all... scientific theorems shift, change, evolve and come in and out of general consensus constantly. There's no such thing as irrefutable science... in fact, being available for criticism and peer review is an essential part OF science, and considering any scientific observation to be "unquestionable fact" isn't science, but dogma, and about as unscientific as it gets.

Great post, TS.

[Twosugars]

functionally irrefutable then
that will do for me

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

functionally irrefutable then
that will do for me

Yes 2S, good... you may yet be of some use to the lizard hive mind when the time comes...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes 2S, good... you may yet be of some use to the lizard hive mind when the time comes...

Will be sad tho to see you go into recycling

[Withano]

Depends who tells me them. Yes I believe in space because telescopes and satellites, don’t really trust most politicians, would take a stranger case by case.