[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People who see someone celebrating who they are or celebrating how far their kind has come as them 'throwing it in their faces' often don't realise that it isn't about them and do everything they can to make it about them.

If someone sees Pride as an attack on themselves then they are the ones with the issue, if you have a problem with gay representation, then look the other way. No one is forcing you to participate and no one is forcing you to oppose it and it will happen regardless of your views because the LGBT are becoming more accepted and mainstream every day and people who dislike that have just got to get over their bigotry.

Let those of us who this world has often opposed our very existence have our month and be grateful you don't have to fight the battles we have for equal rights.

My point has been completely lost here.

I don't care if people are gay or not, i see people as PEOPLE. Isn't that what equal rights is all about? That we are ALL equal? Isn't this what the fight is all about? If so then it's working right?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Swan

My point has been completely lost here.

I don't care if people are gay or not, i see people as PEOPLE. Isn't that what equal rights is all about? That we are ALL equal? Isn't this what the fight is all about? If so then it's working right?

equality is about everyone being treated the same way

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

equality is about everyone being treated the same way

Oh ffs.

That's my whole point

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Oh ffs.

That's my whole point

As long as they don't mention the fact they are gay?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

My point has been completely lost here.

I don't care if people are gay or not, i see people as PEOPLE. Isn't that what equal rights is all about? That we are ALL equal? Isn't this what the fight is all about? If so then it's working right?

But is equality not recognising differences and accepting them? I understand the sentiment, but can we truly see a disabled person and an able person as equal? Would equality not be accommodating to people's differences so that they are included, I.e. making a job more suitable for a disabled person?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

My point has been completely lost here.

I don't care if people are gay or not, i see people as PEOPLE. Isn't that what equal rights is all about? That we are ALL equal? Isn't this what the fight is all about? If so then it's working right?

Your view is one I've heard often by people who pretend to be all for diversity but as a way to keep the LGBT where they can't see or hear them.

We are not equal and we shouldn't be silent just because you feel attacked by more representation then we had before. What you are arguing for is essentially silencing us under a flag of false equality. Straight couples are not attacked on buses for being straight, they aren't killed across the world for being straight and they haven't had to fight for basic rights nor do they have to worry about being attacked and/or killed if they hold their partner's hand in public or show any kind of affection that could 'give them away'.

Your view minimizes the battles LGBT fought to get what we have now, it minimizes a history of blood and sacrifice and it minimises what we have suffered to get to this point.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Your view is one I've heard often by people who pretend to be all for diversity but as a way to keep the LGBT where they can't see or hear them.

We are not equal and we shouldn't be silent just because you feel attacked by more representation then we had before. What you are arguing for is essentially silencing us under a flag of false equality. Straight couples are not attacked on buses for being straight, they aren't killed across the world for being straight and they haven't had to fight for basic rights nor do they have to worry about being attacked and/or killed if they hold their partner's hand in public or show any kind of affection that could 'give them away'.

Your view minimizes the battles LGBT fought to get what we have now, it minimizes a history of blood and sacrifice and it minimises what we have suffered to get to this point.

you articulated that perfectly

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Your view is one I've heard often by people who pretend to be all for diversity but as a way to keep the LGBT where they can't see or hear them.

We are not equal and we shouldn't be silent just because you feel attacked by more representation then we had before. What you are arguing for is essentially silencing us under a flag of false equality. Straight couples are not attacked on buses for being straight, they aren't killed across the world for being straight and they haven't had to fight for basic rights nor do they have to worry about being attacked and/or killed if they hold their partner's hand in public or show any kind of affection that could 'give them away'.

Your view minimizes the battles LGBT fought to get what we have now, it minimizes a history of blood and sacrifice and it minimises what we have suffered to get to this point.

Are you saying by not caring about a persons sexuality that im not all for diversity?

I honesty thought the whole 'movement' was to not judge or to be judged, yet you are judging me for my opinion.

If a person kicks a dog, to me they are a piece of sh*t, a bad human being, i wouldn't ask if they were gay or not it wouldn't matter, they're still a piece of sh*t to me.

It's almost like if someone is not thinking the way you think they should you'll go in for the attack, it's worrying ironic. I am not attacking you for being gay, quite the opposite actually.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Are you saying by not caring about a persons sexuality that im not all for diversity?

I honesty thought the whole 'movement' was to not judge or to be judged, yet you are judging me for my opinion.

If a person kicks a dog, to me they are a piece of sh*t, a bad human being, i wouldn't ask if they were gay or not it wouldn't matter, they're still a piece of sh*t to me.

It's almost like if someone is not thinking the way you think they should you'll go in for the attack, it's worrying ironic. I am not attacking you for being gay, quite the opposite actually.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Are you saying by not caring about a persons sexuality that im not all for diversity?

I honesty thought the whole 'movement' was to not judge or to be judged, yet you are judging me for my opinion.

If a person kicks a dog, to me they are a piece of sh*t, a bad human being, i wouldn't ask if they were gay or not it wouldn't matter, they're still a piece of sh*t to me.

It's almost like if someone is not thinking the way you think they should you'll go in for the attack, it's worrying ironic. I am not attacking you for being gay, quite the opposite actually.

Diversity does not exist if we are all the same.

Diversity and equality is acknowledging someone's differences yet accepting them for those differences and considering them equal. You don't want to be considered equals to us, you want to scrub our differences away, scrub our history away, scrub the sacrifice away. That is not equality or diversity, that would be us surrendering to your false equality by giving up a part of ourselves, living in a way that's pleasing to you, making sure we don't throw our biness, gayness or transness 'in your face'.

I am responding to your opinion, opinions are a two way street, we can put them out there into the world and people can respond to them. If that is something that upsets you then perhaps the debate part of the forum is not for you. You're also wrong, the LGBT have been judged since time immemorial, we don't care if you judge us we just want to be free to live how we choose without fear.

I.... Don't see the point of that dog analogy or it's relevance tbh.

So you see an opposing opinion as an attack, that speaks more to the fact that you can't accept opposing opinions so you see any discussion as an attack on you. At the end of the day, you are virtue signalling. You're not for diveristy, you are for everyone fitting into your world view and not throwing their differences in your face. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it just as much as you are to yours. Instead of acting like a victim that's under attack from the mean ol' LGBT whose identity you want to erase, argue back. Speak. Don't just go 'wahh! you're attacking me!'

[Marsh.]

It is laughable when the "norm" is heterosexual that you feature a few homosexuals to balance it out or a couple of lesbians in an advert and it's "shoving it down our throats" or "overdoing it".

Read your own posts for why some gay people might feel the need to speak a little louder about who they are. They're constantly made to feel like they have to keep it hidden or just not mention it.

[Ant.]

Swan, I appreciate your sentiment but your original post seems to focus more on the fact people are proud of their identity and are open about it

[Marsh.]

But you clearly DO care about people's sexuality if you feel gay people are "throwing it in your face" by simply being out and proud.

[Ant.]

Are you not judging people for choosing to use their identity?

[Marsh.]

"I don't like labels. I see a man, not a sexuality."

This statement should mean you treat everyone the same regardless of sexuality. But given your other posts what it actually means is you'd rather gay people don't tell you they're gay or at least make it known in their actions (idk like holding hands with their partner). It is NOT the same thing and you getting defensive about it will not change the homophobia in your posts in this thread.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"I don't like labels. I see a man, not a sexuality."

This statement should mean you treat everyone the same regardless of sexuality. But given your other posts what it actually means is you'd rather gay people don't tell you they're gay or at least make it known in their actions (idk like holding hands with their partner). It is NOT the same thing and you getting defensive about it will not change the homophobia in your posts in this thread.

I am not homophobic. Im defending my opinion.

If introduced to someone and they felt the need to tell me they were gay i would simply shrug and say 'that's cool'.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I am not homophobic. Im defending my opinion.

If introduced to someone and they felt the need to tell me they were gay i would simply shrug and say 'that's cool'.

So why make a thread in which the first line is, "why does everyone need labels nowadays?!"

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ant.

So why make a thread in which the first line is, "why does everyone need labels nowadays?!"

Because i don't understand why people feel the need to identify as anything, you're labelling yourself when doing so.

It's my personal opinion that sexuality, race and gender doesn't defy a person. It's how they act as a human being. Im not saying people shouldn't be proud of who they are, im proud of how i was brought up and to treat everyone equally.
It doesn't matter to me if you're gay or straight, thus the labelling of such seems over the top to me.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Because i don't understand why people feel the need to identify as anything, you're labelling yourself when doing so.

It's my personal opinion that sexuality, race and gender doesn't defy a person. It's how they act as a human being. Im not saying people shouldn't be proud of who they are, im proud of how i was brought up and to treat everyone equally.
It doesn't matter to me if you're gay or straight, thus the labelling of such seems over the top to me.

I just don't really think that "sexuality, gender, and race don't define a person" is an opinion. People are defined by the discrimination and journey they face due to homophobia, sexism, and racism

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Because i don't understand why people feel the need to identify as anything, you're labelling yourself when doing so.

It's my personal opinion that sexuality, race and gender doesn't defy a person. It's how they act as a human being. Im not saying people shouldn't be proud of who they are, im proud of how i was brought up and to treat everyone equally.
It doesn't matter to me if you're gay or straight, thus the labelling of such seems over the top to me.

I mean it's pretty necessary in a practical sense though

Woman - Do you want to go for a drink?
Man - No thanks
Woman - Why not?
Man - I'm not allowed say

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's my personal opinion that sexuality, race and gender doesn't defy a perso.

Also, you brought race into it

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I am not homophobic. Im defending my opinion.

If introduced to someone and they felt the need to tell me they were gay i would simply shrug and say 'that's cool'.

If that were so you wouldn't accuse it of being "thrown in your face".

Funny how you've never thought that about heterosexuality.

[Swan]

So a sexuality is an identity now?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

So a sexuality is an identity now?

It's what people identify as so yes?

Also why are you being so pedantic and ignoring half the points made?

[Elliot]

people only have to make it clear they're gay because heterosexuality is assumed