[Ramsay]

A literal idiot

[Merry Mockmas]

Of course he'll blame anyone and anything other than himself.

The last time I checked none of these things were calling Hispanic people “invaders“ and “rapists” and lets be honest here, we can't actually absolve the blame from the actual shooters either.

[Twosugars]

Here's another proof how full of **** trump is

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

That happened in 2017 folks

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Here's another proof how full of **** trump is

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

That happened in 2017 folks

So he could literally be directly responsible?...

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Here's another proof how full of **** trump is

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

That happened in 2017 folks

Grim

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Here's another proof how full of **** trump is

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

That happened in 2017 folks

...”The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”...it would be laughable but it’s far too horrendous and terrifying...and how much of the Pentagon reserves will he now divert from his wall to mental health issues of his people..?...

[Ammi]

..’Former US President Barack Obama has called on Americans to reject language from any of their leaders that feeds hatred or normalises racism.’...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So he could literally be directly responsible?...

Originally Posted by Cherie

Grim

Originally Posted by Ammi

...”The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”...it would be laughable but it’s far too horrendous and terrifying...and how much of the Pentagon reserves will he now divert from his wall to mental health issues of his people..?...

Found it by accident. He did it on the sly, didn't invite people to this signing as he normally does., it wasn't televised.

[Kizzy]

No he wouldn't! His is just him undoing everything Obama did, it's his mission. I'm really surprised the media hasn't picked up on it though?

[chuff me dizzy]

I knew President Trump would get the blame So America had no mass killings before he came to power ?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I knew President Trump would get the blame So America had no mass killings before he came to power ?

Did you read that he cancelled gun checks for mentally Ill?
How's that sitting with you?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I knew President Trump would get the blame So America had no mass killings before he came to power ?

Nobody has said that....nobody.

[bots]

Surely the fact that Trump is acknowledging that mental health is an issue is a good thing, no? I mean by all means criticize him for his previous actions, but at least acknowledge that he is trying to do something about it.

I mean, everyone is saying something needs to be done, he takes some positive steps and again gets criticized .... how exactly is that going to help?

Trump has called for across politics action to try to stop the issue from repeating, should that not be applauded?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Surely the fact that Trump is acknowledging that mental health is an issue is a good thing, no? I mean by all means criticize him for his previous actions, but at least acknowledge that he is trying to do something about it.

I mean, everyone is saying something needs to be done, he takes some positive steps and again gets criticized .... how exactly is that going to help?

Trump has called for across politics action to try to stop the issue from repeating, should that not be applauded?

It's actually not. It's the place where the American right always goes after a shooting to avoid having to talk about the gun issue, and the fact that most of the republicans are paid by the NRA. If they were sincere about dealing with the MH side, that would be one thing, but they aren't. You'll hear exactly the same stuff about mental health after the next mass shooting, and then after that one, and then after that one too.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Surely the fact that Trump is acknowledging that mental health is an issue is a good thing, no? I mean by all means criticize him for his previous actions, but at least acknowledge that he is trying to do something about it.

I mean, everyone is saying something needs to be done, he takes some positive steps and again gets criticized .... how exactly is that going to help?

Trump has called for across politics action to try to stop the issue from repeating, should that not be applauded?

Shall we see if he brings back the Obama protection he carelessly removed?
I'm holding my breath...
Why would you remove such an obvious safeguard in the first place? Any theories bots?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Surely the fact that Trump is acknowledging that mental health is an issue is a good thing, no? I mean by all means criticize him for his previous actions, but at least acknowledge that he is trying to do something about it.



I mean, everyone is saying something needs to be done, he takes some positive steps and again gets criticized .... how exactly is that going to help?



Trump has called for across politics action to try to stop the issue from repeating, should that not be applauded?

"Acknowledging that it's part of the issue" alone does absolutely **** all though, it's Captain Hindsight stuff unless he's actually making some sort of commitment to mental health. Which would frankly be almost impossible in the US because the only way to drastically improve the mental health issues that lead to these mass shootings and other expressions of rage, frustration and helplessness in the US would be massive sweeping social reforms.

Because the truth is, whilst gun control obviously SHOULD be brought in to limit the means of committing these acts, the availability of guns has nothing to do with the motivation. The social psychological phenomenon that makes this so much more prominent in the US that anywhere else is baked right into the foundations of the US, "the American Dream", and an idea of what life is supposed to be there that is completely, and increasingly, at odds with reality.

Psychological breakdowns occur when a person's preconceptions of reality collide with objective reality on a level that becomes impossible to rationally process. In the US, from birth people (especially middle class white people) are reassured that "literally anything is possible" with a bit of hard work and a plucky attitude and eventually the vast majority will be confronted with the reality that they are part of a game that they will never win. The mental turmoil that causes is absolutely staggering. Violent outbursts and mass shootings are just the very visible tip of the iceberg; there are millions upon millions of others who simply end up with crippling anxiety, depression and other mental health problems that don't manifest in violence.

So no... Trump suddenly giving a vague nod to mental health means nothing. Just... Nothing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Surely the fact that Trump is acknowledging that mental health is an issue is a good thing, no? I mean by all means criticize him for his previous actions, but at least acknowledge that he is trying to do something about it.

I mean, everyone is saying something needs to be done, he takes some positive steps and again gets criticized .... how exactly is that going to help?

Trump has called for across politics action to try to stop the issue from repeating, should that not be applauded?

No... he needs to acknowledge that his actons so far in his presidency have been counter productive on this issue.
There were protections there to make sure that people with mental health issues had restrictions on aquireing firearms..and he removed them! In what universe should that be applauded?
He knows exactly what to do. . As it was already done :/ why is he asking for cross party action?

What does that even mean.. he acknowledges mental health is an issue, isn't that the most screamingly obvious thing ever?
It's what he isn't acknowledging that is the issue.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Here's another proof how full of **** trump is

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

That happened in 2017 folks

Wow..

[Twosugars]

It was on NBC as you see from the link so others in the US must have covered it.
It happened in early 2017, soon after he took power. And I bet he was already distracting everybody with other crazy ideas. Wasn't that the time when he tried banning all muslims from entering the country?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It was on NBC as you see from the link so others in the US must have covered it.
It happened in early 2017, soon after he took power. And I bet he was already distracting everybody with other crazy ideas. Wasn't that the time when he tried banning all muslims from entering the country?

Sorry I meant the media hasn't picked up on it as a possible contributory factor to the increase in mass shootings.
So while people are calling for gun controls he spend his first year in office removing the protections put in place! :/

[Twosugars]

Wheeling out the old chestnut about video games laughable

[Livia]

Who took the blame for mass shootings pre-Trump? Because from 2009 - 2017 while Obama was in office there were 173 mass shootings in the USA. And that's not all....

2017 was the deadliest year on record for mass shootings. There were four times as many people shot in mass shootings in 2017 than the average of the eight years prior.

In at least one-third of mass shootings, the shooter was legally prohibited from possessing firearms at the time of the shooting.

In half of mass shootings, the shooter exhibited warning signs indicating that they posed a danger to themselves or others before the shooting.

Mass shootings that involved the use of high-capacity magazines resulted in more than twice as many fatalities and 14 times as many injuries on average compared to those that did not.

So who was to blame back then, the president?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who took the blame for mass shootings pre-Trump? Because from 2009 - 2017 while Obama was in office there were 173 mass shootings in the USA. And that's not all....

2017 was the deadliest year on record for mass shootings. There were four times as many people shot in mass shootings in 2017 than the average of the eight years prior.

In at least one-third of mass shootings, the shooter was legally prohibited from possessing firearms at the time of the shooting.

In half of mass shootings, the shooter exhibited warning signs indicating that they posed a danger to themselves or others before the shooting.

Mass shootings that involved the use of high-capacity magazines resulted in more than twice as many fatalities and 14 times as many injuries on average compared to those that did not.

So who was to blame back then, the president?

Why did he revoke the Obama measure?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who took the blame for mass shootings pre-Trump? Because from 2009 - 2017 while Obama was in office there were 173 mass shootings in the USA. And that's not all....

2017 was the deadliest year on record for mass shootings. There were four times as many people shot in mass shootings in 2017 than the average of the eight years prior.

In at least one-third of mass shootings, the shooter was legally prohibited from possessing firearms at the time of the shooting.

In half of mass shootings, the shooter exhibited warning signs indicating that they posed a danger to themselves or others before the shooting.

Mass shootings that involved the use of high-capacity magazines resulted in more than twice as many fatalities and 14 times as many injuries on average compared to those that did not.

So who was to blame back then, the president?

Um liv.. Trump was president in 2017

[Vicky.]

I think all previous presidents have to share some blame for the state of it tbh (I know Obama did start trying to control it a bit, but it was not enough still IMO). Having said that, I am not to sure how much the president can do themselves? Is it all like our parliament, where people can bluster about, but ultimately have to get a majority vote from a large amount of people?