[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The allegation is that he asked the Ukrainian president to dig up dirt on Biden... how would that not be espionage?

That's not espionage, that's abuse of power and it's not so much an allegation as a known thing now. Even the republicans aren't denying it, they're just trying to spin it to suit them.

Espionage is spying and espionage in another country wouldn't be an impeachable offence typically because it's something all nations do but threatening to hold relief that was agreed upon in order to try to gain a personal advantage over a rival is an abuse of power..

[Ammi]

...I’m very highly educated...I know words, I have the best words....



....im-peach-ment....

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's not espionage, that's abuse of power and it's not so much an allegation as a known thing now. Even the republicans aren't denying it, they're just trying to spin it to suit them.

Espionage is spying and espionage in another country wouldn't be an impeachable offence typically because it's something all nations do but threatening to hold relief that was agreed upon in order to try to gain a personal advantage over a rival is an abuse of power..

I wasn't saying Trump carried out the espionage, I was saying the allegation was that he asked the Ukrainian president to carry it out

Or at least that's what's being alledged, by an anonymous person who didn't even hear the phone call.

I have no doubt that Trump talked about Biden, he probably moans to everyone about everyone else. But i doubt he asked for espionage from the President of ... Ukraine a country which is barely out of Russia's thumb and that requires foreign aid is hardly gonna send James Bond.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The allegation is that he asked the Ukrainian president to dig up dirt on Biden... how would that not be espionage?

official investigation not espionage

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I have no doubt that Trump talked about Biden, he probably moans to everyone about everyone else. But i doubt he asked for espionage from the President of ... Ukraine a country which is barely out of Russia's thumb and that requires foreign aid is hardly gonna send James Bond.

He asked it publicly of China so why is it so hard to believe that he did it privately as well?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He asked it publicly of China so why is it so hard to believe that he did it privately as well?

If he publicly asked China to do it, why would he do it privately with the Ukraine?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If he publicly asked China to do it, why would he do it privately with the Ukraine?

Because he’s a moron who has no idea how anything is supposed to work and does what he wants, when he wants and expects to get away with it

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Because he’s a moron who has no idea how anything is supposed to work and does what he wants, when he wants and expects to get away with it

Then why wouldn't he do it publicly?

[thesheriff443]

It’s just mud throwing, it will get to the senate and be thrown out.

20 members of his own party would have vote against him.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s just mud throwing, it will get to the senate and be thrown out.

20 members of his own party would have vote against him.

It's only mud slinging if you choose to ignore the facts.

But yes, it will get thrown out because you can't expect 20 republicans to uphold the law when Mitch McConnell is so brazen and proud of the fact that he is planning on flouting the constitution to get a guilty man acquitted.

Republicans and the Right Wing only believe in justice when it benefits them.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's only mud slinging if you choose to ignore the facts.

But yes, it will get thrown out because you can't expect 20 republicans to uphold the law when Mitch McConnell is so brazen and proud of the fact that he is planning on flouting the constitution to get a guilty man acquitted.

Republicans and the Right Wing only believe in justice when it benefits them.

The old saying, friends in high places.

[arista]

Trump is Live in Battle Creek , Michigan
"Massive" Rally
SkyNewsHD (owned by NBC/Comcast)
saying how his Farmers get 16 Billion Dollars
during the China Trade War.

Meanwhile 9 mins to go on a vote
Capitol Hill.


FoxNewsHD (online only) has trump feed
in a little square , no sound

[arista]

Trump has now been Impeached
for Abuse of Power,
and Obstruction of Justice.

2 Counts.




https://news.sky.com/story/live-deba...trump-11889901


Feel The Force

[arista]

Trump is Live On SkyNewsHD
talking about him being Impeached
Live Battle Creek.

Saying how 2 Democrats went to his side

[Epic.]

Haha, You're Fired Donald

[arista]

Originally Posted by Epic.

Haha, You're Fired Donald

Yes
In the Senate next month
he will be protected
and not removed


So what a waste of time and money..................

[Crimson Dynamo]

The democrats have put all their efforts into this partizan show trial instead of picking a decent candidate to go against Trump, its pathetic to watch.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The democrats have put all their efforts into this partizan show trial instead of picking a decent candidate to go against Trump, its pathetic to watch.

It’s true, and this will probably make him more popular.

It’s all bark and no bite.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The democrats have put all their efforts into this partizan show trial instead of picking a decent candidate to go against Trump, its pathetic to watch.

You're almost there LT. You're right that the senate will be a partisan show trial, however, serious conservative scholars agree what Trump did was illegal and an act he should be removed for.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You're almost there LT. You're right that the senate will be a partisan show trial, however, serious conservative scholars agree what Trump did was illegal and an act he should be removed for.

who?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who?

You can search for republicans for the rule of law for starters.

None other than Kellyanne Conway's husband, George Conway, another conservative lawyer is also in favour. It's only the carnival barkers in the government, and the toothless MAGA serfs that are blindly loyal against their own constitution.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The democrats have put all their efforts into this partizan show trial instead of picking a decent candidate to go against Trump, its pathetic to watch.

By supporting him now, you voice support for everything he has done, so you are never allowed to claim faux outrage and pretend you are moralistic when you voice support for a president that openly mocked a disabled person and veterans, who attacks a 16 year old girl because a magazine gave her an award (You share that in common with Trump, actually) and has actually defrauded charity to pay for his campaign. Shall we go over everything he's done in office now?

You cannot support Trump and pretend to have any kind of morals.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

By supporting him now, you voice support for everything he has done, so you are never allowed to claim faux outrage and pretend you are moralistic when you voice support for a president that openly mocked a disabled person and veterans, who attacks a 16 year old girl because a magazine gave her an award (You share that in common with Trump, actually) and has actually defrauded charity to pay for his campaign. Shall we go over everything he's done in office now?

You cannot support Trump and pretend to have any kind of morals.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If someone breaks the law, they must face the consequences but the Right Wing only believe that when it benefits them, as evidenced by you. If Obama pulled this **** then you'd be screeching endlessly for his impeachment, the difference between us is that I would be too. That's what true morality is, accountability. Guilt shouldn't be dependant on allegiance but that's certainly how the right sees it.

As far as I know, not a single republican in the house voted to impeach and they won't in the senate either and that just shows how morally bankrupt they all are. If this was a normal trial, the Jury would face consequences for such corruption but because it's the republicans, you cheer it on.

Continue to respond with emojis because you have nothing to say in return.