[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm so disappointed, really conflicted now as to my support... This is one area where I simply cannot support the Labour stance.
Like many I don't agree with the 'sexless' as it for me that suggestion supports the use of puberty delaying drugs.

With both men and women socialisation plays a part. I agree with Germain Greer on that, there's no doubt my views would be seen as transphobic. That's unfortunate as I really am a live and let live person.

I had a conversation with my son recently, where I said I accepted the transgendered as male or female but not men or women and he disagreed.

I don't agree with the term 'cis' either.

I agree with you. It seems that this stance Labour have taken that seem to be in favour of gender based rights over sex based rights are causing a lot of people (and labour supporters) concern.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm so disappointed, really conflicted now as to my support... This is one area where I simply cannot support the Labour stance.
Like many I don't agree with the 'sexless' as it for me that suggestion supports the use of puberty delaying drugs.

With both men and women socialisation plays a part. I agree with Germain Greer on that, there's no doubt my views would be seen as transphobic. That's unfortunate as I really am a live and let live person.

I had a conversation with my son recently, where I said I accepted the transgendered as male or female but not men or women and he disagreed.

I don't agree with the term 'cis' either.

Exactly

I watched a video about 2 genders filmed on a college campus , and people got so offended just because not everyone believes there's 20 genders & the non binary thing.

There was also mention of the puberty drugs thing , sounds like absolute child abuse to me . Their bodies don't develop properly if they take those things.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Exactly

I watched a video about 2 genders filmed on a college campus , and people got so offended just because not everyone believes there's 20 genders & the non binary thing.

There was also mention of the puberty drugs thing , sounds like absolute child abuse to me . Their bodies don't develop properly if they take those things.

20 Genders and non binary = People's different personalities

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

20 Genders and non binary = People's different personalities

But there keeps being new ones invented. They can't call them genders when there's only 2 genders.

And the girl in the video identified as "non binary" and was aggressive to the guy that disagreed with her, yet someone else called her "she" and didn't seem bothered that the person didn't say "they" .

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But there keeps being new ones invented. They can't call them genders when there's only 2 genders.

Gender is between the ears, sex is between the legs.

And there are still only two of each.

[Withano]

Old people really can’t grasp the difference between sex and gender

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Old people really can’t grasp the difference between sex and gender

They've got more important and interesting things to do than care about it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

They've got more important and interesting things to do than care about it.

Evidently.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Old people really can’t grasp the difference between sex and gender

Is that rather offensive remark aimed at me?...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is that rather offensive remark aimed at me?...

It sure is, Grandma.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is that rather offensive remark aimed at me?...

No not you Kizzy
you are not old.


Its all about Alf.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is that rather offensive remark aimed at me?...

What no. It’s a thread about an old person not understanding the difference between the two.

I haven’t actually read any of the posts here, I just went straight to the reply section after reading the op.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Old people really can’t grasp the difference between sex and gender

Biology Vs stereotypes

[Crimson Dynamo]

We’ve finally hit peak insanity over trans… haven’t we?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/li...-trans-havent/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We’ve finally hit peak insanity over trans… haven’t we?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/li...-trans-havent/

You can't read it unless you're subscribed

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You can't read it unless you're subscribed

Spoiler:

These days, you can chart cultural change through public loos.

In Los Angeles, gone are the bold-print doorsigns that say “gender neutral restroom”, complete with baffling stick men/women dressed in the kind of half-skirt, half-trouser ensembles that belong on a Jean Paul Gaultier runway; the interlinked ‘Mars’ and ‘Venus’ symbols with pompous explanatory small print welcoming “everyone, regardless of gender or expression”. Thanks, guys, but it’s a bathroom – none of us are planning to stay long enough to feel the love.

Today, the signs simply read: “We Don’t Care.” Or, my personal favourite: “Whatever. Just wash your hands.”

However, in the UK, when it comes to bathroom signs, there is no such levity. We’re still desperately contorted about trans and gender issues – and a long way from levelling out a debate that, I fear, hasn’t yet reached peak insanity.

I thought we’d peaked last year, when Always, the sanitary towel company, agreed to remove the ‘Venus’ symbol from its wrapping after the trans lobby complained that “not everyone who has periods identifies as a woman”.

I thought we’d peaked when the police were forced to reveal that convicted rapists were allowed to be logged as female when arrested, “if that is how they choose to identify themselves”. When the BBC promoted an educational short film telling nine-year-olds that there were “over 100” genders, that had to be it?

Surely we peaked last January, when former policeman Harry Miller was visited by police after tweeting “transphobic” comments (such as: “I was assigned mammal at birth, but my orientation is fish. Don’t mis-species me”)? Miller claimed that the Humberside Police officer who interviewed him had said he’d committed no crime, “but we need to check your thinking”.

Which is Orwellian enough – but after Miller discovered his “tweet incident” had been entered onto his police record, as a “non-crime hate incident”, he launched legal action so that a court might establish once and for all that he had not broken any law. The police probe was decreed unlawful by the High Court on Friday.

But this is no time to celebrate, thanks to the opposition Labour Party, which, in the midst of its leadership contest, is busy descending into a farcical civil war over transgender rights.

A controversial pledge card calling on the party to expel “transphobic” members has exposed a faultline running through the movement – between and those who sign up wholeheartedly to the trans-activist insistence that “transwomen are women”, and seasoned Left-wing feminists, who worry about proposed reforms to make it simpler to transition legally and, thus, access all-female spaces – such as changing rooms and toilets.

Out there in the Labour heartlands, these are not the issues keeping voters up at night. It’s as if the party has learnt nothing from Trump or Brexit – or from Jo Swinson, the headmistressy and super-woke former Liberal Democrat leader whose election campaign went up in smoke on the altar of transgender ideology.

But all of this pales in importance beside an easily missed news item tucked away in this weekend’s Sunday papers. One headline ran: “NHS endorsing guide for transgender patients that approves puberty blockers and declares anatomy ‘is not always a good guide’ to determining a child’s sex.”

The NHS has already tarnished itself over matters of gender. More than once, the scandal-hit Tavistock Clinic, the country’s only NHS gender identity service for children, has found itself in the eye of the storm after accusations that it was “fast-tracking” young people into changing gender and offering children as young as 11 hormone-blocking drugs. But at least this shockingly proactive approach has been limited to patients within the clinic – until now.

A number of NHS trusts across the south west are to send out a “Supporting Trans People” toolkit, written by trans campaigners and branded with NHS logos, that declares that anatomy “is not always a good guide” to determining a child’s sex. It also condones the use of puberty blockers on adolescents, drugs that are, at present, licensed in the UK only to treat children who start puberty abnormally early, not those just questioning their gender identity.

Both the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health and NHS England have ordered national reviews into the ethics of prescribing such treatment.

It’s the inherent contradictions in PC-culture-gone-mad that I can’t get past. Because if you pare down the argument for hormone blockers, it’s all about protecting youngsters’ mental health – a mental health that could understandably suffer if someone felt trapped in the wrong body for years.

So what do we do? We pump them full of drugs that keep them in that state, preventing their natural sex hormones, oestrogen and testosterone, from kicking in.

It’s official: we’ve hit new levels of gender insanity.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Spoiler:

These days, you can chart cultural change through public loos.

In Los Angeles, gone are the bold-print doorsigns that say “gender neutral restroom”, complete with baffling stick men/women dressed in the kind of half-skirt, half-trouser ensembles that belong on a Jean Paul Gaultier runway; the interlinked ‘Mars’ and ‘Venus’ symbols with pompous explanatory small print welcoming “everyone, regardless of gender or expression”. Thanks, guys, but it’s a bathroom – none of us are planning to stay long enough to feel the love.

Today, the signs simply read: “We Don’t Care.” Or, my personal favourite: “Whatever. Just wash your hands.”

However, in the UK, when it comes to bathroom signs, there is no such levity. We’re still desperately contorted about trans and gender issues – and a long way from levelling out a debate that, I fear, hasn’t yet reached peak insanity.

I thought we’d peaked last year, when Always, the sanitary towel company, agreed to remove the ‘Venus’ symbol from its wrapping after the trans lobby complained that “not everyone who has periods identifies as a woman”.

I thought we’d peaked when the police were forced to reveal that convicted rapists were allowed to be logged as female when arrested, “if that is how they choose to identify themselves”. When the BBC promoted an educational short film telling nine-year-olds that there were “over 100” genders, that had to be it?

Surely we peaked last January, when former policeman Harry Miller was visited by police after tweeting “transphobic” comments (such as: “I was assigned mammal at birth, but my orientation is fish. Don’t mis-species me”)? Miller claimed that the Humberside Police officer who interviewed him had said he’d committed no crime, “but we need to check your thinking”.

Which is Orwellian enough – but after Miller discovered his “tweet incident” had been entered onto his police record, as a “non-crime hate incident”, he launched legal action so that a court might establish once and for all that he had not broken any law. The police probe was decreed unlawful by the High Court on Friday.

But this is no time to celebrate, thanks to the opposition Labour Party, which, in the midst of its leadership contest, is busy descending into a farcical civil war over transgender rights.

A controversial pledge card calling on the party to expel “transphobic” members has exposed a faultline running through the movement – between and those who sign up wholeheartedly to the trans-activist insistence that “transwomen are women”, and seasoned Left-wing feminists, who worry about proposed reforms to make it simpler to transition legally and, thus, access all-female spaces – such as changing rooms and toilets.

Out there in the Labour heartlands, these are not the issues keeping voters up at night. It’s as if the party has learnt nothing from Trump or Brexit – or from Jo Swinson, the headmistressy and super-woke former Liberal Democrat leader whose election campaign went up in smoke on the altar of transgender ideology.

But all of this pales in importance beside an easily missed news item tucked away in this weekend’s Sunday papers. One headline ran: “NHS endorsing guide for transgender patients that approves puberty blockers and declares anatomy ‘is not always a good guide’ to determining a child’s sex.”

The NHS has already tarnished itself over matters of gender. More than once, the scandal-hit Tavistock Clinic, the country’s only NHS gender identity service for children, has found itself in the eye of the storm after accusations that it was “fast-tracking” young people into changing gender and offering children as young as 11 hormone-blocking drugs. But at least this shockingly proactive approach has been limited to patients within the clinic – until now.

A number of NHS trusts across the south west are to send out a “Supporting Trans People” toolkit, written by trans campaigners and branded with NHS logos, that declares that anatomy “is not always a good guide” to determining a child’s sex. It also condones the use of puberty blockers on adolescents, drugs that are, at present, licensed in the UK only to treat children who start puberty abnormally early, not those just questioning their gender identity.

Both the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health and NHS England have ordered national reviews into the ethics of prescribing such treatment.

It’s the inherent contradictions in PC-culture-gone-mad that I can’t get past. Because if you pare down the argument for hormone blockers, it’s all about protecting youngsters’ mental health – a mental health that could understandably suffer if someone felt trapped in the wrong body for years.

So what do we do? We pump them full of drugs that keep them in that state, preventing their natural sex hormones, oestrogen and testosterone, from kicking in.

It’s official: we’ve hit new levels of gender insanity.

Thanks for that.

[Kizzy]

Those hormone blockers will be the ritalin of the future, a horrible mistake and something that paediatricians should be ashamed for advocating.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Those hormone blockers will be the ritalin of the future, a horrible mistake and something that paediatricians should be ashamed for advocating.

How the hell is that even legal to give to a child??? , an adult can do what they like but a child's body is still developing.

[Marsh.]

"a child is born without sex"

"Taking about penises and vaginas doesn’t help the conversation"

The woman clearly doesn't know what she's talking about.

[Niamh.]

Seems it depends which article/study you read Withano, dont tell me I'm "pretending" anything

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Seems it depends which article/study you read Withano, dont tell me I'm "pretending" anything

Have you read any articles or studies which suggest biologically influenced gendered behaviour does not exist?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Have you read any articles or studies which suggest biologically influenced gendered behaviour does not exist?

This is a good article
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00677-x

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is a good article
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00677-x

Rippon is basically considered a twat amongst her peers for ignoring science tbf - genuinely. You’ve read an article about a book that an idiot wrote. Rippons work is largely dismissed by peers.