[Jigs]

Many African and Native American civilizations always welcomed third genders, ambiguous gender norms and same-sex relations. That was, of course, until they were colonized and Christian values were imposed on them by their white rulers.

It's our fault things like this are still happening so I guess to answer your question, yes, we should all be speaking up about it way more!

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jigs

That was, of course, until they were colonized and Christian values were imposed on them by their white rulers.

It's our fault things like this are still happening so I guess to answer your question, yes, we should all be speaking up about it way more!

That's like forgiving a rapist because his victim was wearing a short skirt.


It's not anyone's fault but the nations themselves, they've had more than enough time to sort out their homophobia.

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's like forgiving a rapist because his victim was wearing a short skirt.


It's not anyone's fault but the nations themselves, they've had more than enough time to sort out their homophobia.

I don't really know what to say to you. Go and tell them that then.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's like forgiving a rapist because his victim was wearing a short skirt.

Erm... I think you have this backwards. In this analogy, the third world countries are the victims.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Erm... I think you have this backwards. In this analogy, the third world countries are the victims.

No the gay people are who are being victimised.

It's a bit infantilising to act like those nations are incapable of sorting themselves out because they were once colonies

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No the gay people are who are being victimised.

It's a bit infantilising to act like those nations are incapable of sorting themselves out because they were once colonies

Nobody said they're incapable of anything. Do you watch the news? Did you study history?

It's kind of like asking why certain parts of Africa have no running water and are starving to death. It's ignorant.

[Tom4784]

No country has managed to 'sort out' their homophobia. It exists in all places in the world.

Africa's problem mostly lies in religion, a lot of countries on that continent are fundamental in their beliefs and it forms a backbone for their countries. I don't think you'll ever truly get rid of homophobia anywhere but if you could truly divorce religion from power and governance and lessen it's hold on society as a whole, then it would be a start. Religion is responsible for a lot of hate and bigotry in this world.

[Parmy]

Thing is though, these countries have ran themselves for years now, but their laws against it are getting harsher and stronger.

The british empire cant be blamed for that.

[Tom4784]

But those countries as they are today were built on values the empire brought open them which shaped their governance.

Look at America, It was built on slavery and the oppression of black people and although those laws have been abolished, black people are still oppressed by the systematic racism that remains. Plus you have religion being as dominant as it's always been.

The empire committed a lot of evil in this world when it was a thing. don't let patriotism blind you to the truth.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But those countries as they are today were built on values the empire brought open them which shaped their governance.

Look at America, It was built on slavery and the oppression of black people and although those laws have been abolished, black people are still oppressed by the systematic racism that remains. Plus you have religion being as dominant as it's always been.

The empire committed a lot of evil in this world when it was a thing. don't let patriotism blind you to the truth.

That last line...I'm not a complete tit you know

[Parmy]

I dont agree that homosexuals are discriminated against in small towns at all.

In my experience they are adored by all.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I dont agree that homosexuals are discriminated against in small towns at all.

In my experience they are adored by all.

I'm from a small town. I wouldn't say gays are "adored" here, more ... "indifferenced"

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm from a small town. I wouldn't say gays are "adored" here, more ... "indifferenced"

I've often talked about my good friend jamie, he flaunts about town chatting away to everyone. Lighting up their faces with his patter.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've often talked about my good friend jamie, he flaunts about town chatting away to everyone. Lighting up their faces with his patter.

Flambouyance and likeability go hand-in-hand, to be fair. Within reason anyway.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Flambouyance and likeability go hand-in-hand, to be fair. Within reason anyway.

He was the only open gay Male in town and boy did he let everyone know...that's why I like him so much.

He was the only .....until colin came along last summer..back up from london and 20 years older than jamie..colin, driven out of town by schol bullies and his father's homophobia in 1986....

I met them both in Colin's shop on a visit up and jamie wasnt amused when i bear hugged colin...my cousin.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I dont agree that homosexuals are discriminated against in small towns at all.

In my experience they are adored by all.

But that's your experience as a straight person who has never and will never experience homophobia. It's like a white person saying that racism isn't an issue. Your circumstances will ultimately limit your understanding of how present homophobia is in today's society.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that's your experience as a straight person who has never and will never experience homophobia. It's like a white person saying that racism isn't an issue. Your circumstances will ultimately limit your understanding of how present homophobia is in today's society.

It's actually like me saying what my experiences are like,followed by a full stop...

My experiences are just that, mine...yours are obviously different, but you cant blame me and my experiences for that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's actually like me saying what my experiences are like,followed by a full stop...

My experiences are just that, mine...yours are obviously different, but you cant blame me and my experiences for that.

But your experience doesn't really reflect the reality of homophobia because it doesn't affect you.

You can't make sweeping statements about how small towns are homophobic or not because you inherently can't relate. You might think that homophobia isn't as big as an issue in small towns but the people who have lived it will say differently.

[Parmy]

I can say I disagree with something dezzy..which is what I did...stop fancying things up by using sensational wordage.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I can say I disagree with something dezzy..which is what I did...stop fancying things up by using sensational wordage.

You're entitled to believe that LGBT people aren't discriminated against in small towns but it's simply not the truth for most LGBT people. Just because you don't see something happening doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[Parmy]

Is it fair to say you are more likely to get punched in the face in london for being gay than some random small town...

I think it is.



So to get back to yet more violence against the LGBTQ communities.

Can we start addressing the issues in African ran Africa again and our, as a nation, lack of action.

[Tom4784]

If anything, small towns are more likely to be homophobic than big cities. you're more likely to find hubs of LGBT communities in cities than in small towns, you're less likely to be isolated but I suppose it also makes it easier to target the people in these communities but then they'll more likely have protections and safety than an individual in a small town would be if they are targeted.

Homophobia exists everywhere but you'd probably be less likely to be harmed for being gay in London then you would be in a small community.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If anything, small towns are more likely to be homophobic than big cities. you're more likely to find hubs of LGBT communities in cities than in small towns, you're less likely to be isolated but I suppose it also makes it easier to target the people in these communities but then they'll more likely have protections and safety than an individual in a small town would be if they are targeted.

Homophobia exists everywhere but you'd probably be less likely to be harmed for being gay in London then you would be in a small community.

I disagree because being homosexual in a small town sort of only gives you straight mates to go with with up town because as you say they dont have the social hubs that big cities can afford its large LGBTQ communities.

So in the small town environment because you are with a group of pals and everyone knows everyone in a small town and the fact that crime is low in small towns, the chances of a random smack in the face for being gay is much much smaller than that of London.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I disagree because being homosexual in a small town sort of only gives you straight mates to go with with up town because as you say they dont have the social hubs that big cities can afford its large LGBTQ communities.

So in the small town environment because you are with a group of pals and everyone knows everyone in a small town and the fact that crime is low in small towns, the chances of a random smack in the face for being gay is much much smaller than that of London.

But you aren't guaranteed any of that in small towns and homophobia is more than just violence. You can isolate and harm someone without violence and small towns tend to have more closed minded attitudes because of a lack of exposure to the gay scene which is more common in cities.

You can think that discrimination doesn't exist in small towns but the reality is different.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But you aren't guaranteed any of that in small towns and homophobia is more than just violence. You can isolate and harm someone without violence and small towns tend to have more closed minded attitudes because of a lack of exposure to the gay scene which is more common in cities.

You can think that discrimination doesn't exist in small towns but the reality is different.

Fair enough, but this thread is about violence towards homosexuals by 34 out of 54 African ran nations.
.which is why I used punch in the face as my judgement.


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