[Beso]

What does the guys colour have to do with it anyway.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Maybe you should watch it again...look where his teeth are in relation to the officers knee...he would be kneeling on his ear/head...not neck.

Because that’s so much better?

[The Slim Reaper]

His leg is pushed down into his shoulders for a start, that's where the neck starts, you can see it most clearly as he's trying to maneuver slowly off after being called out.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

His leg is pushed down into his shoulders for a start, that's where the neck starts, you can see it most clearly as he's trying to maneuver slowly off after being called out.

He's mostly on his head (again, bad enough) and yes as I said I think he only moves away from his neck after going there because someone calls him out. However...

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

When he's on his neck, it's a bit difficult to say he's on his head. Clickbait? Sure.

... Referring specifically to a cop kneeling on a black man's neck is an attempt to evoke the George Floyd murder in the mind of the reader and is thus clickbait. We're not playing faux-dummies today . Yes is is another example of heavy-handed policing but I feel like attempting to forge a direct cognitive link there is a bit distasteful.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He's mostly on his head (again, bad enough) and yes as I said I think he only moves away from his neck after going there because someone calls him out. However... ... Referring specifically to a cop kneeling on a black man's neck is an attempt to evoke the George Floyd murder in the mind of the reader and is thus clickbait. We're not playing faux-dummies today . Yes is is another example of heavy-handed policing but I feel like attempting to forge a direct cognitive link there is a bit distasteful.

I see him on his neck, nothing else. Of course he's on his head too, because of the width of a bent leg. But the contact starts on his neck, just above the shoulder.

There is a direct link because he's on his neck. That's why I wrote it in that way. If I thought he was on his head, then that's what I'd have written. We disagree on the issues in this matter, but please don't tell me what my intentions are when it comes to my posts.

[arista]

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[Swan]

What did the guy do? Or was suspected of doing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Again the video taker is making the incident ten times worse simply by filming.

Yes, much more civilised to ignore police brutality and go about your day.

[Liam-]

‘You alright?’
‘Yeah, my necks fine no worries, the bastard filming is a prick though’

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

What did the guy do? Or was suspected of doing.

The Police have yet to say.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by arista

The Police have yet to say.

Quite interested to learn more about this story before i give my opinion.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

The Police have yet to say.

I think they say in the video he is accused of attacking someone

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Quite interested to learn more about this story before i give my opinion.

Let's say he was a burglar, then what? Either way, he won't have been found guilty of anything upon being arrested.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Let's say he was a burglar, then what? Either way, he won't have been found guilty of anything upon being arrested.

If he was threatening physical violence, and/or carrying a weapon then tougher restraint is necessary.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

If he was threatening physical violence, and/or carrying a weapon then tougher restraint is necessary.

He was handcuffed?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

He was handcuffed?

Doesn't mean he wasn't capable of violence. He could have still seriously harmed someone, especially being that his hands where cuffed at the front of his body, and not behind his back.

BBC News reporting he was arrested for fighting, and carrying an offensive weapon.

Yes it was in bad taste detaining him in such a manner, but the threat was obviously very real.

[Liam-]

An offensive weapon could be a plank of wood that he didn’t have anymore, he was handcuffed and on the floor, no need whatsoever to put pressure on his head/neck

[bots]

the policeman has been suspended

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Doesn't mean he wasn't capable of violence. He could have still seriously harmed someone, especially being that his hands where cuffed at the front of his body, and not behind his back.

And there's no other way for a trained police officer to subdue/restrain an unarmed man without kneeling on his head?

We can talk at length about what this man could have been capable of, but at the end of the day the police officer wasn't behaving appropriately at all.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And there's no other way for a trained police officer to subdue/restrain an unarmed man without kneeling on his head?

Unarmed? The way he was cuffed wouldn't have stopped him pulling a knife out of his pocket.

And yes there probably was, like i said it was in bad taste.

[user104658]

To play devil's advocate again (everyone's fav) it can be appropriate to restrain the head even while someone is handcuffed on the ground if there's a risk of them causing themselves injury whilst thrashing or struggling. That should be a hand as at the end of the video though, not full body weight from a leg. Tbh I don't think new recruits get enough restraint training (for example they get less than mental health professionals who can be dealing with some very aggressive and out of control individuals) and then they end up copying other officers who already have bad/dangerous habits and thinking it's "the right way" to do it.

Part of why I think "defund the police" might be better as "redistribute police funding" - with a lot more focus and time on both initial and ongoing training.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Unarmed? The way he was cuffed wouldn't have stopped him pulling a knife out of his pocket.

Well, I assume the officers, when arresting someone, confiscate their weapon or at the very least search them.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Because that’s so much better?

Didn’t say it was ....just saying it appears to be the side of his head and not his neck

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, I assume the officers, when arresting someone, confiscate their weapon or at the very least search them.

You can't really check pockets while someone is struggling because of the risk of needles.

I personally don't think he could effectively grab or use a weapon with the way he's cuffed, though. But I'm not an expert at cuffing. Just an enthusiast.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, I assume the officers, when arresting someone, confiscate their weapon or at the very least search them.

It's viable they handcuffed him first, then searched him after he was restrained. He wasn't exactly cooperating with them in the video.

He wasn't arrested for nicking a can of coke, he was arrested (and resisting arrest) for physical violence, and carry an offensive weapon. Restraint was necessary, the way the policeman went about it was in poor taste though, as previously stated.