[Niamh.]

Thing about it is Ammi and another difference between this and male rappers talking about sex, is that maybe verbally its like for like but visually in both instances its the women that end up the ones objectified and half naked

[James]

This reminds me of when Annie Lennox criticised Miley Cyrus.

Russell Brand is a parent now, so I guess that is one of the ways people's perspective changes over time.

That and the fact that chart music becomes unlistenable to lot of people when they get older.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

This reminds me of when Annie Lennox criticised Miley Cyrus.

Russell Brand is a parent now, so I guess that is one of the ways people's perspective changes over time.

That and the fact that chart music becomes unlistenable to lot of people when they get older.

Regarding Miley Cyrus, thats a good example of the difference between male artists and female, if a man had done wrecking ball it wouldn't have been him swinging naked on the ball, he would have a hired a woman to do it

[armand.kay]

why are people acting like this is something new??? old ass people too who were around when Madonna released a coffe table book filled with her nudes

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

why are people acting like this is something new??? old ass people too who were around when Madonna released a coffe table book filled with her nudes

Old ass?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Old ass?

sorry queen I meant to say wise

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

sorry queen I meant to say wise

That's more like it

[Oliver_W]

Well, quite. There's virtually nothing new or interesting about this particular song ("song") so why is this one of all things triggering some weirdos and sparking discussion in others it's somewhat baffling...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Well, quite. There's virtually nothing new or interesting about this particular song ("song") so why is this one of all things triggering some weirdos and sparking discussion in others it's somewhat baffling...

My only issue with it (and I suppose technically speaking that's not really the fault of Cardi B unless she's actually claimed its a feminist master piece which I don't think she has) is people acting like that has been claimed but as far as I can see Ben Shapiro was the first one who brought feminism into it

[Calderyon]

Porn. Softcore kind, but porn regardless imo.

[Marsh.]

It reminds me of Lily Allen's Hard Out Here only without the sarcasm.

[Niamh.]

I like how Joe Rogan is half defending Ben Shapiro but also lists one of his strengths as being good at arguing with uneducated people

Youtube video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I like how Joe Rogan is half defending Ben Shapiro but also lists one of his strengths as being good at arguing with uneducated people

Youtube video

...awww, I don’t know who the lady was that Joe was chatting with...but I was hoping for a female perspective on the song/vid, FINALLY......but the opinion was on Ben, mostly...which you said actually but I hadn’t read it properly....


...I still don’t know where I stand with this because I’m one of THOSE people who have always felt that hip hop is male dominated/sexist etc and it would be lovely to see more female injected into it....I mean, to see some really prominent female hip hop artists...and here we are, we finally got there...so I don’t want to be one of THOSE people who are now feeling....EXCUSE Me......


....females are sexualised every day and in many ways, in a way that males aren’t...and that in itself is always worthy of criticism and discussion and yet it wouldn’t still be happening if it was criticised and discussed as much as it should have.../...that sexualisation, I mean...not hip hop music and its content...Russell Brand, who i like, even did it himself, because he felt the vid and content was erotica....but surely that’s like saying...’well she wore this/or she acted that/or she said whatever...’...it’s surely him projecting some of his ‘woman views’....anyway, as I say, I still don’t have formed opinions as such...but with female sexualisation being part of so much in society on a daily basis...it just doesn’t sit right to me atm to ‘single out’ this song and vid when these amazing ladies are finally bringing the much needed ‘female’ to hip hop...and I totally see that it’s not ‘wholesome, family content’ etc...but for me it’s about seeing these ladies for the people they are and how they’re a huge part in the evolvement of hip hop and making it much less Male dominant...so far the discussions it seems to have sparked, appear to be judging these ladies ‘by their cover...’...and adding to the sexualisation that is felt being displayed...rather than ‘reading between the lines’ of having any interest in them as outstanding female hip hop artists....

[James]

I found out today that Russell Brand is Kirsty Gallacher's brother-in-law. Never knew that before.

[arista]

An Old Clip From when Thatcher Died

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

An Old Clip From when Thatcher Died

Finally a brand of feminism I can get behind.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Finally a brand of feminism I can get behind.

She is a bit Nasty

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

She is a bit Nasty

I agree, especially the way she decimated the north of the country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I agree, especially the way she decimated the north of the country.

You Sly Fox

[Tom4784]

I didn't watch the video as I find Russell to be longwinded but to be honest, I don't really see the song as being any different to most male rap songs that go on about shagging girls with big tits and big asses, the only difference is in this song is that they're saying they want big dicks to 'fill up their tiny garage'.

Given that most female rappers tend to have fanbases that are mostly female/LGBT focused, I wouldn't really say that the video is primarily focused on the male gaze since it would be a disconnect from it's intended audience. I do see the merit in claims that it's embracing female sexuality though since in a lot of ways, it's a song that's focused on the female take on sexualising the opposite gender. Is it backwards or progressive? You can make a case for either.

I've always considered feminism, in a large part to be about the equality of choice, that women should be free to pursue the same things that men do or that, if they choose so, they can be a housewife if that's what they want (same for men, tbh, there shouldn't be any shame in being a househusband) what's important is that they have the choice. I think there's power in embracing sexuality, especially when even in today's world, female sexuality is still something that is quite looked down upon. If I had a banging bod, I'd never wear a shirt unless I had to and I'd feel great about it so I can't begrudge someone for having the confidence to be feel empowered in their own flesh, especially when the world is often down on women for doing so (while men are often applauded for showing off).

[arista]

[Russell Brand is Slammed for 'mansplaining feminism'
during analysis of Cardi B and Megan
Thee Stallion's provocative song WAP... after
he branded the video 'porn']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-WAP-porn.html

[Kizzy]

Have to say it's a bit hypocritical of him to attempt to censor how other people express their sexuality.
I'm a bit conflicted on it tbh, IM torn between loving the freeform nature of doja cat and her openly sexual lyrics and finding them a bit cringe... maybe it's my age?
I'm not saying that as in I'm old so I hate it regardress, I just think that generationally my concept of feminism and empowerment is very different.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have to say it's a bit hypocritical of him to attempt to censor how other people express their sexuality.

How is he attempting to censor it?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How is he attempting to censor it?

I don't think he's trying to censor anyone. I do get some of the criticism of Brand in terms of that - although he has clearly put a lot of work into becoming a different person - he still is clearly laden down with shame-triggers that mean he shies away from bringing the murkier elements of his past into the discussion of things like this. The irony being that more openly talking about his "womanizing" days, and discovering the error in them, would actually lend weight to his argument rather than diminish it. He does talk about his past as substances-addict quite extensively when he's talking about drugs, but "goes there" far less with his.. umm... approach to relationships. Maybe something that will come in time.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How is he attempting to censor it?

Maybe that was the wrong phrase, not censor but certainly slap on it a definition as something that requires monitoring, like porn. That's what I took from his opinion.