[Niamh.]

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

It’s more her previous transphobic comments which is the issue

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jake.

It’s more her previous transphobic comments which is the issue

Like what?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

No, the killer is a man who pretends to be a woman in order to kill women, it directly correlates to her transphobic views she’s been spewing, it’s almost like she’s done it cause she knew she had a book on the subject coming up she wanted to sell

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, the killer is a man who pretends to be a woman in order to kill women, it directly correlates to her transphobic views she’s been spewing, it’s almost like she’s done it cause she knew she had a book on the subject coming up she wanted to sell

So did Norman Bates, but nobody accused Alfred Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins of being transphobic. Stories are just that, stories.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Swan

So did Norman Bates, but nobody accused Alfred Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins of being transphobic. Stories are just that, stories.

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

Like women should be referred to as women rather than people who menstrate? Shocking

[arista]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

No way back then
better years
he was thinking of his next Film, instead.


He was a Top Director
great at shocking you.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

So did Norman Bates, but nobody accused Alfred Hitchcock and Anthony Perkins of being transphobic. Stories are just that, stories.

I don’t know much about either of those people, did they wage public wars on the trans community to build a platform for those things to be sold?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Alfred Hitchcock hadn't said some questionable things about the trans community months before though.

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t know much about either of those people, did they wage public wars on the trans community to build a platform for those things to be sold?

Did she really 'wage war' on the trans community though?

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

I agree... Hollywood films and fantastic books/movies have had men dressing as women / being transvestites forever.

People can’t distinguish a transvestite and a transgendered person.

Soon drag will be transphobic? Or surely drag is transphobic by these people who are complaining..

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Jk Rowling uproar is getting ridiculous now, the killer in the story wore a wig and thats her being transphobic? Get a grip

This.

[Niamh.]

Looks like its affecting her sales.....

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Looks like its affecting her sales.....

I’m gonna buy it just to show support and then give it away at Christmas

[Niamh.]

No she did not Liam

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No she did not Liam

It’s okay if you want to think that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s okay if you want to think that

And it's OK if you want to claim it without bothering to provide examples or back it up as a reasonable claim. I wouldn't really expect anyone to listen though. You can't just say "X is true" and then when people say "in what way?" you respond "just is".

Well. Again, you can but it doesn't really have much substance, does it.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And it's OK if you want to claim it without bothering to provide examples or back it up as a reasonable claim. I wouldn't really expect anyone to listen though. You can't just say "X is true" and then when people say "in what way?" you respond "just is".

Well. Again, you can but it doesn't really have much substance, does it.

Well that’s the point isn’t it, everyone who doesn’t agree with you or JK herself have all been labelled as sexist, emotional or extreme so, yeah, there’s no point in providing anything.

I’m not here to convince you or anybody else, I just give my opinions, not my problem if it’s not good enough for you

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well that’s the point isn’t it, everyone who doesn’t agree with you or JK herself have all been labelled as sexist, emotional or extreme so, yeah, there’s no point in providing anything.



I’m not here to convince you or anybody else, I just give my opinions, not my problem if it’s not good enough for you

But I just said that I don't agree with everything JK has said or done . I just don't think it's an either-or, I don't think people who disagree with her are extreme, I do think people who automatically scream "transphobe!" are extreme and a bit sheepy and I do think that people who are unwilling to even discuss the issues tend to have an emotional investment that effects that objectivity on the subject. The claim that "we won't allow anyone to even discuss the possibility that there are conflicts of rights and safeguarding issues because we already know that there aren't any, just cos we think there won't be and its offensive to wonder if there are and you're a transphobe if you think otherwise" isn't a defensible position. It's only ever going to be accepted as any sort of position by other people who hold the SAME position, and frankly that group is starting to look increasingly outnumbered.

I think dogmatically holding that ground at this point is going to untimately be counter-productive and the discussion is going to be had nonetheless, but with lacking representation on one side, who refuses to engage.

That's just my opinion though of course.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s okay if you want to think that

Thanks Liam

[user104658]

No because I don't engage in tribalistic hivemind nonsense. I don't agree with everything JK has had to say and I also don't think she's a transphobe - shocking, eh? It's almost as if you can hear two sides of a debate, see some truth in both and not start hating everyone who has opinions that don't align with your own even if you find them hurtful. Anyone else remember when that was a thing? Ahh nostalgia...

[user104658]

Can I also point out that the original "psycho" actually DOES come off as a little transphobic (I think the series handled it better), as does "Silence Of The Lambs" (more than a little, let's face it... The guy is skinning women and wearing their skin because he has gender dysphoria)?

Did either legitimately have a profoundly negative impact on the trans community? That is an actual question by the way; maybe they did, I don't know for a fact that they didn't, but I have to say I haven't heard many people legitimately scared that actual transwomen are going to start Buffalo Billing women.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Can I also point out that the original "psycho" actually DOES come off as a little transphobic (I think the series handled it better), as does "Silence Of The Lambs" (more than a little, let's face it... The guy is skinning women and wearing their skin because he has gender dysphoria)?

Did either legitimately have a profoundly negative impact on the trans community? That is an actual question by the way; maybe they did, I don't know for a fact that they didn't, but I have to say I haven't heard many people legitimately scared that actual transwomen are going to start Buffalo Billing women.

I think it all boils down to if the story has merit. Psycho made perfect sense, for example. I think both films raised issues on mental health, rather than being transphobic.

Does JKR's new story have merit, i guess that's the question.

Judging on what she said previously, i don't get the big deal, it's outrage overload, as you said.

[Nicky91]

[Liam-]

And there are plenty of trans people who are willing to discuss it and share their experiences, but they’re conveniently ignored in favour of highlighting those extreme minorities that name call and troll people online, to push a certain narrative, why are trans people and advocates held to a higher standard of how they should compromise and listen, to those who actively want their rights changed or taken away?