[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

No need for avoidance tactics.. you said YES to the initial question..

I presumed you had some evidence


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When it comes to personal beliefs there really is no need to give tangible evidence. Especially when communicating with people who only have a mechanical contemporary Western perspective to go off.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Redway

But we’re talking about personal beliefs here, not hard science.

This definitely Redway.

I've only given my feeling, my thought on the issue.

It's interesting reading the views of others however.
These subjects I've always found interesting.

[Redway]

I’ve never understood the inherent hostile to alternative beliefs some people have. Why is it so hard for personal beliefs to be accepted without having to present it as a scientific argument?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’ve never understood the inherent hostile to alternative beliefs some people have. Why is it so hard for personal beliefs to be accepted without having to present it as a scientific argument?

I suppose when it comes to psychics, they can be harmful to people or used to manipulate people. Also if you start a thread about a topic people are going to give you their opinions as well

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I suppose when it comes to psychics, they can be harmful to people or used to manipulate people. Also if you start a thread about a topic people are going to give you their opinions as well

Which I’m not against receiving. I just wanted to keep a modicum of respectfulness about it on both sides. That’s all.

[MTVN]

Interested to hear more about these 'non-Western' cultures that have 'for sure' seen stranger things than fortune telling

I know in rural communities in Africa and Asia that belief in witchcraft is quite strong if that's what you mean?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Redway

Which I’m not against receiving. I just wanted to keep a modicum of respectfulness about it on both sides. That’s all.

No one has been disrespectful though that I can see. There is nothing wrong with questioning things, its how people learn and expand their knowledge.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Interested to hear more about these 'non-Western' cultures that have 'for sure' seen stranger things than fortune telling

I know in rural communities in Africa and Asia that belief in witchcraft is quite strong if that's what you mean?

Yup. And all those collective communities are half of the world.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yup. And all those collective communities are half of the world.

And all of that did exist in Western cultures tbf until it was gradually discarded

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Interested to hear more about these 'non-Western' cultures that have 'for sure' seen stranger things than fortune telling



I know in rural communities in Africa and Asia that belief in witchcraft is quite strong if that's what you mean?

Mmmmmm these people who are scared of their own reflection or think they’ve had their souls stolen if someone takes their photograph?


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Mmmmmm these people who are scared of their own reflection or think they’ve had their souls stolen if someone takes their photograph?


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Until you’ve got first-hand experience dealing with different cultures you won’t know.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Many people have and it's poorly educated superstition
So accepting that what do you have going forward?

That’s nice.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Redway

Until you’ve got first-hand experience dealing with different cultures you won’t know.

You need to explain more about your first hand experience. Otherwise it just seems like you've made this thread to say you know more than anyone else and anyone who questions it doesn't know **** because you know more. You've not really added anything to it other than ask for respect passive aggressively whilst adding no substance

[Redway]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You need to explain more about your first hand experience. Otherwise it just seems like you've made this thread to say you know more than anyone else and anyone who questions it doesn't know **** because you know more. You've not really added anything to it other than ask for respect passive aggressively whilst adding no substance

The cultural perspective I’m coming from is pretty personal to me so I don’t need to spin it out if I don’t want to.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are you understanding cultural scientific knowledge?

Where I’m coming from has nothing to do with you. Nor is it necessary for my peace of mind that you understand me.

[Ammi]

...I’m just reading that around a quarter of the world population believe that people have psychic abilities, which is quite a staggering amount...I do believe that we all would have...(..potentially and in a level world, type thing..)...the same power of ‘control’ over our minds...when you say, different world cultures etc, Redway...?...people like the Shaolin monks, for instance...?...they train through their lives, through their very disciplined and focused lives to ‘harness’ that power and that focus, which I’ve always found fascinating...do they have any ‘special powers’ over anyone else..?....hmmmm, it’s my own belief that they don’t as such/they’re not ‘born that way’... they just have a lifestyle/belief system/culture that ‘facilitates’ more because their minds and thought processes are given ‘confinement and isolation’ from the distraction of other outside worldly things...they devote their lives purely to their minds and thoughts, I would say...their minds aren’t distracted with the things that so many ‘ordinary’ minds are...obviously they’re not ‘ordinary minds’ they’re just very busy minds with so many different layers of thoughts...so to be able to live ‘layer free’ from those every day things that most of us have and to be be able to be more single focused, is more a ‘culture or tradition’ type thing that can only be practised by a few because of specific circumstances ....and also, when there is a culture of a more ‘simple life’ as within a smaller tribal system...?...I would say that also allows more for isolating and harnessing thoughts and therefore would be more powerful over the mind’ ...which would also be a path leading to things like a feeling of psychic ability.../...all fascinating anyway....

...oh the thing with Shaolin monks as well, just because they popped into my head for some reason...(...I would say...)...that ‘Shaolin’ would be instilled in that person, that they were indeed ‘special’ in their potential ‘mind powers’...and I think that could also apply in some cases of ‘psychic’ as well...if the mind believes it is, then it is in its belief...?...and many personal thoughts etc will be adapted and fitted around that self belief...?...not necessarily in a conscious minded way...

[Ammi]

...and then there’s the Barnum/showman effect as well, so all very interesting in ‘psychic’...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Redway

The cultural perspective I’m coming from is pretty personal to me so I don’t need to spin it out if I don’t want to.

So you started a thread and asked people to be respectful of other views...then refuse to share those views.

I predict this thread isn't going to progress very far then.

[Georgek]

Originally Posted by Redway

I'm sure this sort of thread's been done to death on here but they've never ended well for obvious reasons. I thought I'd try it again but this time with a bit more respectfulness from either side (which isn't too much to ask), bearing in mind people from different religious and cultural backgrounds think different things about this thing.

I am a psychic and if I can be profound to say, EVPs and psychic abilities are just as normal to me as walking.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Georgek

I am a psychic and if I can be profound to say, EVPs and psychic abilities are just as normal to me as walking.

Mmmmmm you’re gonna have to expand on this revelation !!


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[armand.kay]

this prophet exists so yh...

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you started a thread and asked people to be respectful of other views...then refuse to share those views.

I predict this thread isn't going to progress very far then.

I shared those views. I just didn't elaborate on them and that's fine.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Georgek

I am a psychic and if I can be profound to say, EVPs and psychic abilities are just as normal to me as walking.

What kind of psychic are we talking?

[LaLaLand]

I'm a huge sceptic.

However, my sister did once go for a "reading" from a psychic (not local, never met before, went completely anonymously without notice/booking) and what the guy was saying was scarily good.

Like he knew the family names AND more importantly nicknames/pet names of certain relatives, a recent incident that had happened with my sister's car, he knew that I was quite ill at the time with depression and agoraphobia and picked up on that. Very accurate stuff that nobody would know - streets people lived on, items/ornaments we have etc. My Gran was "there" apparently and told me to get my ass out of bed and sort my life out basically.

Spooky.

[Redway]

To MBTI-code a ting, still, INFJs are also often scarily good at predicting what’s going to happen in t’future, or at-least getting a vague feel for it, via the power of introverted intuition. So good to as at times be borderline clairvoyant-psychic. I should know.

Sometimes it’s just little things like getting a hunch for banana bread in the first 2020 lockdown before it became a trend on Instagram (I experienced that). Sometimes it’s a forewarning of experiences (including highly toxic/narcissistic ones) that are going to happen to you or a certain kind of ill-health that may (or may not) affect a loved one in the years to come.

Either way, when you’re like that, chances are you’re an extremely intelligent person with an inner world even people who know you quite well might not get more than 70% of the gist of half the time, even if they’re on the same level of spiritual discernment as you. You’ve just got to hold onto your intuition and watch how events play out in the future, whether people believe you along the way or not. And that’s a truth you can take anywhere you like, whether you’re in Chester, Wrexham, Buckingham Palace, Budapest, Tokyo, Ena Sharples’ backyard, Greenville or in communion with a bunch of flowers (green carnations, most-probably).

As for what I was saying throughout this thread four years ago, meh. Let’s just say I’m not as driven by the “my opinion is my opinion; I ain’t really tryna spin it out further” mantra as I was at that particular time. Hope you people are well. Including (dare-I say it) the kizzy I obviously don’t get on with. Never have done and probably never will do but then I remember that we’re both just decent people trying to get on with life. We don’t really have to see eye-to-eye to be worthy of some basic compassion. We ain’t beefing like that, still.