[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

Nah, I have objectivity, something that's a foreign concept to you.

If a labour MP caused a stink about a deal that was drawn up years ago, just to facilitate a power grab and become PM only to agree to basically the same deal then I'd be angry too.

I hold people accountable, I don't just look the other way if they're on 'my side'.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

There was no fantastic deal available to either party, so this is BS (especially when you consider my constant criticism of the labour party). We had the best deal and negotiated to give ourselves a far worse deal. If you think that's worth a celebration, then it's ideological not fact-based.

The diagram was put out out by the EU - it's simplistic but accurate. The whole brexit campaign was run on slogans based on lies which I don't ever remember being criticised by brexit supporters for either lies or being biased.

Excuse me? I am not celebrating anything so rein yourself in

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Excuse me? I am not celebrating anything so rein yourself in

You replied to the wrong post, I think.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

That is literally not an option.. we leave in 2 days... As a remainer yourself are you happy with the deal?
The will of the people was the referendum not the deal...there's a big difference.
You can agree with the outcome of the referendum and still be against the deal there is no 'will of the people' attached to that.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That is literally not an option.. we leave in 2 days... As a remainer yourself are you happy with the deal?
The will of the people was the referendum not the deal...there's a big difference.
You can agree with the outcome of the referendum and still be against the deal there is no 'will of the people' attached to that.

i'm a remainer and happy with the deal. It has to be taken within the context that the country voted to leave the EU. We have to move on

[Zizu]

I don’t know why we have to allow them to strip our waters dry for the next 5.5 years though !!


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[user104658]

It's obviously not a "good" deal, however literally any deal is better than the chaos of no deal so I think that's making a lot of people see it as "good".

[Brother Leon]

What exactly is different than the Theresa May deal that everyone put down?

[Ammi]

...There was no ‘golden deal’ to be had, with everyone ...(...as in those who voted for Brexit..)...feeling that they had ‘the deal’ they wanted...If people aren’t voting for the same reasons, which Brexit voters weren’t...then they weren’t and aren’t hoping for and looking for the same deal, would surely follow...?....and any deal was always going to have to be acceptable to both the EU and the UK, so a compromise, as it were and a giving of some things...so that was also always going to take things away from us that being in the EU gave us...will those things have shiny, bright new things to replace and balance...?...I would doubt it and the details will still have to be worked in or worked out or whatever...it is what it is, the vote was for the unspecified deal to be made, without any knowledge of what the deal was...and the trust was put into a government to make the deal that didn’t exist as it is now at the time of voting...quite a leap of faith that some business/livelihoods etc will not survive, sadly...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

What exactly is different than the Theresa May deal that everyone put down?

No specifics but LBC says the new deal is substantially better than the Theresa May one ...

I’m sure we will see comparisons sooner or later


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't like voting I don't know, however I'd have preferred a midway 'fair' deal option.

I think it's better than I expected from Johnson and his government with so many Con MPs preferring no deal.

I'm glad no deal is out.
So I'm glad Johnson only in the last short few weeks pushed for a deal.

The only really good deal was the one we already had with the EU, in my view.

I'll settle for this because for me no deal was unthinkable.

I'm just glad those hard-line Con MPs didn't get their way on no deal.
So in my view this was likely the best deal we'd get via Johnson and his Ministers.
The EU seem content and that's a plus for me too.

This tbh.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Zizu

No specifics but LBC says the new deal is substantially better than the Theresa May one ...
Referring to the Henry Vlll clause specifically?!?!?

I’m sure we will see comparisons sooner or later


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[The Slim Reaper]

McDonalds in Penge.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

McDonalds in Penge.

As long as there's bacon, we can all sleep easy.

[Withano]

Imagine tibb has more support for the brexit deal than the general public lol

Only 17% of people that yougov asked thinks that it is a good deal

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

McDonalds in Penge.

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Spoiler:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqe0e1VX...jpg&name=large

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Hm... the 2019 copyright on this makes me suspect this picture is from last year? Before we "technically" left the EU. Unless they're simply re-using the old sign.

Either way - I don't think many people are going to get to the door of a McDonalds and say "Oh what the ****?? No lettuce and tomato?? Let's go elsewhere!"

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hm... the 2019 copyright on this makes me suspect this picture is from last year? Before we "technically" left the EU. Unless they're simply re-using the old sign.

Either way - I don't think many people are going to get to the door of a McDonalds and say "Oh what the ****?? No lettuce and tomato?? Let's go elsewhere!"

It was from today. I don't doubt they were produced to cover last year though. Maccies have just come out and said it was a mistake.

[Cherie]

Teresa tearing strips off Keir telling him her deal was better

[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

No specifics but LBC says the new deal is substantially better than the Theresa May one ...

I’m sure we will see comparisons sooner or later


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that is entirely relative to what you wanted from the deal, which is why it is an unanswerable question

Those that wanted a complete isolationist break from the EU won't be happy and think its a crap deal, those that wanted a customs union with all the rules, regulations, free movement and legal integration with europe won't be happy because the deal doesn't give them that.

May wanted to remain part of the customs union and wanted to retain all the legal obligations that went with it. Boris's deal is nothing like that. Whether thats good or bad depends on your view point, but The May deal and what Boris has negotiated are completely different

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that is entirely relative to what you wanted from the deal, which is why it is an unanswerable question

Those that wanted a complete isolationist break from the EU won't be happy and think its a crap deal, those that wanted a customs union with all the rules, regulations, free movement and legal integration with europe won't be happy because the deal doesn't give them that.

May wanted to remain part of the customs union and wanted to retain all the legal obligations that went with it. Boris's deal is nothing like that. Whether thats good or bad depends on your view point, but The May deal and what Boris has negotiated are completely different

You keep saying it's open to interpretation, when it will actually be measurable with tangibles, so that's just not true.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You keep saying it's open to interpretation, when it will actually be measurable with tangibles, so that's just not true.

and you keep saying that, and its absolutely untrue. Workers rights, being beholden to the EU court of justice, free movement, pet passports, intelligence sharing etc aare not easily measurable, but they do provide the UK a degree of control over it's own destiny.

Just 1 simple example, we were able to approve and roll out 2 vaccines while the EU sat around and muttered about it. That will likely save thousands of lives in the next 6 months ... measure that one and see if it was a good move

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and you keep saying that, and its absolutely untrue. Workers rights, being beholden to the EU court of justice, free movement, pet passports, intelligence sharing etc aare not easily measurable, but they do provide the UK a degree of control over it's own destiny.

Just 1 simple example, we were able to approve and roll out 2 vaccines while the EU sat around and muttered about it. That will likely save thousands of lives in the next 6 months ... measure that one and see if it was a good move

Fairly easily, the vaccine stuff was nothing to do with brexit. As part of our Eu agreement, we had the ability to act independently.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/

When you throw out stuff like "beholden to the EU" I see your professions of wanting to remain are as sincere as your professions of not being a tory

[arista]

"As long as there's bacon, we can all sleep easy"


McD need to get Lettuce and Tomato

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm a remainer and happy with the deal. It has to be taken within the context that the country voted to leave the EU. We have to move on

I didn't say we couldn't or shouldn't move on.

What part of my post suggested otherwise?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Teresa tearing strips off Keir telling him her deal was better

Well she couldn't convince or win the support of her own party, never mind any other Party.
She even alienated the DUP in the end.

So I don't think any MP needs any directive from her after the farce she created all through in the Commons.