[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Yeah, that's fine, she is an attractive terrorist now, that make it ok

i know Bots, she looks 'hot' so lets all forgive her

[Oliver_W]

She didn't do some stupid tweets or sneak into the wine cellar ... she went to join a terrorist death cult. Two of these are things that dumb kids do, one is something a terrorist does.

I don't trust that she "doesn't need" rehabilitation, especially as she's previously said she doesn't regret her actions.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She didn't do some stupid tweets or sneak into the wine cellar ... she went to join a terrorist death cult. Two of these are things that dumb kids do, one is something a terrorist does.

I don't trust that she "doesn't need" rehabilitation, especially as she's previously said she doesn't regret her actions.

The hard to swallow truth is that it IS the same though. Teenagers are susceptible to suggestion and easily drawn into a group mentality and thus they are easily - much, much more easily than we would comfortably like to believe - drawn into extreme ideologies by adults with an agenda.

"This couldn't happen to my kid/brother/sister/niece/nephew because..." NO. You are plainly wrong, yes it could if you don't pay attention, it is a fundamental truth of adolescent psychology and we see it in "smaller ways" every single day. Just have a glance at social media. Kids absolutely all over it spouting an absolute tonne of extreme, poorly thought out, parroted rhetoric that may seem different to "scary islamic extremism" but it actually isn't. It's the same thing. The risks are different. The mechanism is IDENTICAL.

Believing anything else is taking our eye off the ball and much, MUCH more dangerous than accepting that some of these kids were simply let down, brainwashed, abused and then abandonned.

15 is a child. She was failed by her parents, failed by this country, then further abused by other adults... the whole thing is gross. It'd be gross even if she had been an active combatant - which she was not, she was effectively a sex slave and womb.

The ONLY question should be, "is she currently dangerous". Which to be frank we simply don't know because people are too scared of adverse public opinion to do the right thing and check.

[Tom4784]

Hypothetical situation time.

A radicalised terrorist sympathiser comes to Britain from another country to support a terrorist organisation, the organisation is defeated and we try to deport the sympathiser back to their home country, only for that country to tell us they've stripped her of her citizenship and she's no longer their problem, but ours'. How outraged would the public be about that situation? The answer is very outraged. So, if that's the case, why is it okay for us to force other countries to deal with our criminals? It is hypocrisy.

I have no sympathy for this woman, but we as a country cannot make up the rules as we please. Not when we'd hate for the shoe to be on the other foot. We risk setting a precedent that could ultimately see other countries refuse deportations from us, and all to appeal to a populist sense of bloodlust.

The right thing to do would be to not force our problems on other countries and have her stand trial in the UK for her crimes. Anything else makes us hypocrites.

[bots]

plenty other countries make up the rules to suit themselves it's nothing unique, and I dont think anyone cares enough to take a stand on this particular example

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

plenty other countries make up the rules to suit themselves it's nothing unique, and I dont think anyone cares enough to take a stand on this particular example

You say that now, but I'm guessing you'd be up in arms if the shoe was on the other foot.

Also being all like 'other countries are hypocritical because I say so, so that means we should lower ourselves to be hypocrites too.' Very odd logic.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

plenty other countries make up the rules to suit themselves it's nothing unique, and I dont think anyone cares enough to take a stand on this particular example

As a member of the "send them back to the first safe country they arrived in" in the illegal migrant thread, I thought you might be interested to know that since brexit, countries have refused to take anyone from us, because we're out of the agreement now, so we're getting more asylum seekers here than we ever would have without brexit. I'm sure this is what Arista voted for

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

As a member of the "send them back to the first safe country they arrived in" in the illegal migrant thread, I thought you might be interested to know that since brexit, countries have refused to take anyone from us, because we're out of the agreement now, so we're getting more asylum seekers here than we ever would have without brexit. I'm sure this is what Arista voted for

what goes around comes around. You can bet that won't be highlighted

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

plenty other countries make up the rules to suit themselves it's nothing unique, and I dont think anyone cares enough to take a stand on this particular example

Do you know what I say to my daughter when she tries the "but all the other kids were doing it" excuse?

" **** off you little ****, that is an absolutely ****ing abysmal excuse you didn't think that **** through one little bit, did you? Get to your room and I don't want to hear one ****ing peep from you until you've learned how to dodge responsibility PROPERLY."

That's what I say.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you know what I say to my daughter when she tries the "but all the other kids were doing it" excuse?

" **** off you little ****, that is an absolutely ****ing abysmal excuse you didn't think that **** through one little bit, did you? Get to your room and I don't want to hear one ****ing peep from you until you've learned how to dodge responsibility PROPERLY."

That's what I say.

…I’m not down with the kids like you, I would always just say….okay, that’s cool…I’ll just talk to their mom and see how that works, then…

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m not down with the kids like you, I would always just say….okay, that’s cool…I’ll just talk to their mom and see how that works, then…

My daughter has an inherent disregard for adults and lack of respect for authority figures. I don't know where she gets it from honestly.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you know what I say to my daughter when she tries the "but all the other kids were doing it" excuse?

" **** off you little ****, that is an absolutely ****ing abysmal excuse you didn't think that **** through one little bit, did you? Get to your room and I don't want to hear one ****ing peep from you until you've learned how to dodge responsibility PROPERLY."

That's what I say.

And then you woke up

[Elliot]

Why would anyone want to come to this ****hole anyway if they had options lmao

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Why would anyone want to come to this ****hole anyway if they had options lmao

like what country do you think is better?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Why would anyone want to come to this ****hole anyway if they had options lmao

Im far from patriotic but as much as you what to believe this country is a terrible place to live, the truth is, it isn't whatsoever. It's up their with the top countries in the world to live actually.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Why would anyone want to come to this ****hole anyway if they had options lmao

Maybe you should move to Syria and see how long you last

We have it really good here and you are sounding a bit spoilt / entitled - you are so privileged to live in this country


About Shamima: good leave her there!!!!! The U.K. does not want her

[arista]

[Jordan.]

Skinny minny! I'm ready to forgive.

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Well it's not a ridiculous comparison, young people involved in terrorism aren't overly dissimilar to Hitler Youth.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Well it's not a ridiculous comparison, young people involved in terrorism aren't overly dissimilar to Hitler Youth.

They’re not, and his point was that back at the end of WW2 we understood that the teenagers in the Hitler youth were just dumb kids who had been brainwashed by adults and we allowed them the chance at rehabilitation and re-education.

Nowadays the attitude is “boooo 16 is old enough to take responsibility hang em all”.

But let’s call it like it is here - she’d get more sympathy if she looked like Hitler youth. We all know that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But let’s call it like it is here - she’d get more sympathy if she looked like Hitler youth. We all know that.

As shown by all the sympathy Dylan Roof got?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They’re not, and his point was that back at the end of WW2 we understood that the teenagers in the Hitler youth were just dumb kids who had been brainwashed by adults and we allowed them the chance at rehabilitation and re-education.

Nowadays the attitude is “boooo 16 is old enough to take responsibility hang em all”.

But let’s call it like it is here - she’d get more sympathy if she looked like Hitler youth. We all know that.

Pretty much, it's all about engaging in a bit of armchair bloodlust, really, especially when the target isn't white. She definitely would get more sympathy if she was white (although how much more, who could say?)

I don't know whether rehabilitation is possible, but either way, she should be brought back to face trial for her crimes. All we've done in stripping her citizenship is make her another country's problem and you would never hear the end of it if another country did that to us.

[Ammi]

‘Overwhelming evidence’ Shamima Begum was victim of trafficking, court hears…


There is “overwhelming evidence” that Shamima Begum was a victim of trafficking when she left the UK, a court has heard.

Ms Begum was 15 when she and two other east London schoolgirls travelled to Syria to join the so-called Islamic State group in February 2015.

Her British citizenship was revoked on national security grounds shortly after she was found, nine months pregnant, in a Syrian refugee camp in February 2019.

Ms Begum, now 21, is challenging the Home Office’s decision to remove her British citizenship and has asked a specialist tribunal to consider whether she was a victim of trafficking when she travelled to Syria.

Her lawyers told the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) at a hearing on Friday that the Home Office had a legal duty to investigate whether Ms Begum was a victim of trafficking when her citizenship was revoked.

Samantha Knights QC said that “the counter-terrorism unit had suspicions of coercion and control” at the time Ms Begum left the UK, which she argued “gives rise to the need to investigate the issue of trafficking”.


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/overwhelmi...104028416.html

[Saph]

tbf she kinda shot herself in the foot with her "I deserve sympathy" video