[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…well then…it’s good that someone is going up against a prominent member of the royal family with such serious allegations….it’s sadly not a criminal case, though….?…it’s a personal lawsuit and still wouldn’t bring any justice/legal answerability as such….

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

[The Slim Reaper]

She's wasting her time, he was munching on some doughballs in pizza express.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

She's wasting her time, he was munching on some doughballs in pizza express.

Yes,
& he is not sweating.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

It's actually really common to go that route in the US, it's much easier to secure a win in a civil court than to even get a prosecutor to proceed with a case in criminal courts. Basically if the prosecution doesn't think they can build a case that has a reasonable chance of succeeding, they won't take it to court at all because of the cost. But in civil courts you basically have to cover your own costs, or the costs are built into the settlement ("no win no fee") and out of court settlements are thus very, very common... because they're cheaper for the accused (the money going to the accuser might even end up being the same, but the legal costs are MUCH lower).

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

…hmmmmmm…(…I think, Oliver…)…because a civil suit can go through its process without his physical presence there…?…that the criminal one can’t unless he can be questioned first by the FBI/US authorities and that’s something that has apparently been requested of him several times through legal teams with a refusal…isn’t his ‘story’ though that he was never asked and of course he will oblige if he ever is asked……I’m not sure that a criminal case could be pursued without him first being given the opportunity to respond to questioning…/whatever you say can be used in evidence against you etc etc /rights…it’s a different process for a civil/personal case…

[Ammi]

…or similar even to what TS said, flaunting his quick typing skills…

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's actually really common to go that route in the US, it's much easier to secure a win in a civil court than to even get a prosecutor to proceed with a case in criminal courts. Basically if the prosecution doesn't think they can build a case that has a reasonable chance of succeeding, they won't take it to court at all because of the cost. But in civil courts you basically have to cover your own costs, or the costs are built into the settlement ("no win no fee") and out of court settlements are thus very, very common... because they're cheaper for the accused (the money going to the accuser might even end up being the same, but the legal costs are MUCH lower).

Originally Posted by Ammi

…hmmmmmm…(…I think, Oliver…)…because a civil suit can go through its process without his physical presence there…?…that the criminal one can’t unless he can be questioned first by the FBI/US authorities and that’s something that has apparently been requested of him several times through legal teams with a refusal…isn’t his ‘story’ though that he was never asked and of course he will oblige if he ever is asked……I’m not sure that a criminal case could be pursued without him first being given the opportunity to respond to questioning…/whatever you say can be used in evidence against you etc etc /rights…it’s a different process for a civil/personal case…

I see, I see ...

It sucks that this is probably the closest he'll get to facing justice...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, no sweat….

Originally Posted by arista

Yes,
& he is not sweating.

…been there/ done that, Arista, hun….

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I see, I see ...

It sucks that this is probably the closest he'll get to facing justice...

…yeah, that’s what makes him ‘above the law’ in that those Royal legal teams will never let him go…

[Swan]

Do the UK taxpayers have to fund this, or does it come out of the 'personal' royal kitty? Either way, Andrew will be fine. One rule for them etc

[Ammi]

…it’s probably a bit of a first really and no sexual allegation fund was accounted for…or maybe it was, I don’t know….go fund him fundraiser appeal…well it begins with an ‘f’ anyway, not sure the exact terminology is right….

[Cherie]

The statute of limitations is due to run out apparently

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

[arista]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about Andrew the Paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

Forget Resident Evil, we've got Resident Paedo if the allegations are true.

If he is guilty (which in all honesty it doesn't look good for him) then he is a disgrace to the Royal Family.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, no sweat….

[arista]

[Cherie]

Yep Andy is finished ...what a year for her Maj

Interesting that Sarah Ferguson is helping him fight his case

[bots]

the lesson is clear. Choose your friends carefully, because the wrong choice can ruin your life, innocent or guilty. He was around Epstein for long enough to know exactly what he was like

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yep Andy is finished ...what a year for her Maj

Interesting that Sarah Ferguson is helping him fight his case

he met Sarah at a swiss resort where she was a chalet girl and regularly danced on the tables naked. Koo Stark, his previous girlfriend was a porn star ..... he really doesn't have a good history

[Ammi]

…this is and has all been horrific for Beatrice and Eugenie….allegations of rape/sexual abuse with children against their father….

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…this is and has all been horrific for Beatrice and Eugenie….allegations of rape/sexual abuse with children against their father….

imagine having a paedo loser as a father



hopefully the girls will get support from their mom in all this, whom honestly also must feel awful, having been married to the disgusting perv

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he met Sarah at a swiss resort where she was a chalet girl and regularly danced on the tables naked. Koo Stark, his previous girlfriend was a porn star ..... he really doesn't have a good history

Not so. Andrew had known Sarah since childhood, where they met frequently at polo matches - her father was Charles's polo manager. She was also a friend of Diana's, who played matchmaker.
Koo wasn't a porn star, she appeared in one film topless, which in those days put paid to her relationship with Andrew when it was revealed.