[thesheriff443]

I remember the the story in this country of a young game keeper cleaning his shot gun it went off killing his teenage girlfriend so he reloaded and killed him self

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If you have a toy gun within reach, you play around and pretend to shoot your friends. It's a law of nature.

A real gun is a different matter ... But in America, a gun with blanks is probably regarded in the same way we see toy guns

Tbh if they're looking for malicious intent, they should see which actors were going to be "shot", and if they had any enemies...

I dunno, it's far from Baldwin's first action movie, he will be well aware of firearm safety. Assuming it was accidental, I would think it was during actual filming and the people who were hit just happened to be standing in the direction that the gun was being fired. Which is also against safety protocols but a more likely error than him jokingly pointing a gun and pulling the trigger... only someone with very little experience would ever do that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If you have a toy gun within reach, you play around and pretend to shoot your friends. It's a law of nature.

A real gun is a different matter ... But in America, a gun with blanks is probably regarded in the same way we see toy guns

Tbh if they're looking for malicious intent, they should see which actors were going to be "shot", and if they had any enemies...

Yeah I think Baldwin naturally assumed it was shielded like a toy gun , he was probably being directed and pointed it to demonstrate .

Why were real bullets even around that's the question ,were they shooting tin cans between takes? .

You'd think on set they'd try their best not to mix up blanks and bullets,what with it being so dangerous .

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I dunno, it's far from Baldwin's first action movie, he will be well aware of firearm safety. Assuming it was accidental, I would think it was during actual filming and the people who were hit just happened to be standing in the direction that the gun was being fired. Which is also against safety protocols but a more likely error than him jokingly pointing a gun and pulling the trigger... only someone with very little experience would ever do that.

They could of simple be doing a rehearsal
All the people involved would of been on set.

[Niamh.]

Oh my god, that's awful

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I can understand someone dicking around and pretending to shoot someone on set. I can't understand why real bullets were even present?!

I dont understand why they use real guns and why they are even loaded as special effects today are amazing and a shot could easily be faked ,they are actors afterall.

[bots]

i think we need to wait and see what the investigation uncovers, but it quite simply shouldn't have happened

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I dont understand why they use real guns and why they are even loaded as special effects today are amazing and a shot could easily be faked ,they are actors afterall.

You can't fake the recoil of firing a gun so if they're going for realism, it has to be real guns loaded with blanks.

I don't entirely understand why there would be live ammo on set at all though - I assume maybe for other scenes where the set/props are shot with live bullets; perhaps that's the change in rules that's needed though. You can't accidentally load live rounds if there are strictly NO live rounds anywhere on set.

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ew-Mexico.html

[Gusto Brunt]

He accidentally shot two people?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can't fake the recoil of firing a gun so if they're going for realism, it has to be real guns loaded with blanks.

I don't entirely understand why there would be live ammo on set at all though - I assume maybe for other scenes where the set/props are shot with live bullets; perhaps that's the change in rules that's needed though. You can't accidentally load live rounds if there are strictly NO live rounds anywhere on set.

Someone must have left the real bullets. I think for the scene they were supposed to be blanks.

[Livia]

Firing blanks is dangerous. You still have the case and the gunpowder so you still get an explosion so there’s a realistic flash, but anything in the barrel is fired out at velocity, maybe a piece of the case or something that’s entered the barrel accidentally. It’s a risky business. Films like this have armourers to look after the guns so for one not to have been checked or a real bullet slipping through seems unlikely to me. In any case, it’s a bloody tragedy. Can’t imagine how Alec Baldwin feels right now.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Firing blanks is dangerous. You still have the case and the gunpowder so you still get an explosion so there’s a realistic flash, but anything in the barrel is fired out at velocity, maybe a piece of the case or something that’s entered the barrel accidentally. It’s a risky business. Films like this have armourers to look after the guns so for one not to have been checked or a real bullet slipping through seems unlikely to me. In any case, it’s a bloody tragedy. Can’t imagine how Alec Baldwin feels right now.

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Firing blanks is dangerous. You still have the case and the gunpowder so you still get an explosion so there’s a realistic flash, but anything in the barrel is fired out at velocity, maybe a piece of the case or something that’s entered the barrel accidentally. It’s a risky business. Films like this have armourers to look after the guns so for one not to have been checked or a real bullet slipping through seems unlikely to me. In any case, it’s a bloody tragedy. Can’t imagine how Alec Baldwin feels right now.

yes same, i hope Alec receives the proper help to mentally deal with this trauma

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

I hadn't seen your previous post where you explained about blanks...

I suppose it's all about what it was that was fired and where it hit the two people... or maybe more than one projectile. Like you say, more info will come.

[bots]

if it was pieces of debris in the barrel, i guess it would behave more like a shotgun, spraying that debris, so its going to cover a larger arc

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it
strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

The bullet/s must have ricocheted , either way it's horrible and should never have happened.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

I was only telling Luke about Brandon Lee earlier today

[Cherie]

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

I think he must have been demonstrating / following directions.

[bots]

i think the fact that it happened in the past and all sorts of safety measures were introduced makes this one seem very dodgy

[GoldHeart]

And this has happened 3 times now , most people know about Brandon Lee ,but apparently another horrific incident happened in the 80s where a guy shot himself in the head with what he thought was just a prop! .

Why were the safety protocols neglected so badly. Surely there must have been other ways ,they could have made the gun shots more realistic without it being fatal .

[rusticgal]

It said on the news just now...they were blanks not live ammo.

Absolute tragedy...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

do you not know how filming stuff works?


they do not point a gun at the other cast member, but at the camera, and they later on edit that as if he points the gun at the opponent, and i think this particular scene was a ''duel''

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

It could be a shot facing the camera with director and cinematographer stood behind the camera. It’s a western (I think?) so that would actually be quite a common framing for a shootout type scene (firing towards camera).