[bots]

i like to think that we are on some kids computer screen and he has just got the latest pandemic expansion pack

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I would love to believe in an afterlife and that I would see loved ones again. My Grandad always promised he would come back and tell me if there was anything afterwards.....he's been dead since 1993 and I'm still waiting (I did **** myself every night after he died thinking I'd wake up and he'd be sat at the end of my bed )

It's unprovable really either way and so I think whatever gives you peace in your final days to believe in is the best way to live

Good post Annie

I think it’s like going under anaesthetic ...blackness

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good post Annie



I think it’s like going under anaesthetic ...blackness

It's like how it was before we were born probably

[Crimson Dynamo]

everyone on this forum coped ok with not being alive for 13.4 billion years so i am confident that they will cope with being dead for a few more billion years

youve got it tibb

[Legrand]

Just nothingness forever

[rusticgal]

Well I have a few stories to tell of sightings, happenings that are unexplained that makes me believe in something...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well I have a few stories to tell of sightings, happenings that are unexplained that makes me believe in something...

people always do but they never stand up to any scrutiny

that is why science exists so that things can be analysed and evidenced using peer-reviewed scientific evidence that has been honed through years and years of experimental research


it kind of trumps "well when I was staying at my auntie's a saw this shadow at the end of my bed"

[Beso]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well I have a few stories to tell of sightings, happenings that are unexplained that makes me believe in something...

Let's hear one then....

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Let's hear one then....

Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night

Anecdotes and science are not comparable in any way shape or form. Hence why anecdotes don't and have never progressed humanity one millimetre.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night

That sounds like proof to me..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night

Why would a ghost of a loved one not be more clear though, if it is them giving you a sign why not write Hi Rustic in a steamy mirror or something, why turning on a light or moving a mirror?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stephen Hawking:

""I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There
is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid
of the dark," he added."

[Beso]

Look at LT trying his hardest to convince everyone hes not one of my wasted sperm.


Dont be afraid LT, your surrounded by family.

[Alf]

No way of finding out, I'll see when I get there. May as well see the rest of this life out first.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Stephen Hawking:

""I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There
is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid
of the dark," he added."

“Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.” Albert Einstein.

Energy. It's what makes you LT and me Livia. What happens to it when we die? Einstein says energy cannot be created or destroyed, so what happens to it?

I don't have the answer to this. But then, no one has the answer when we consider whether or not there is an afterlife, there is only anecdotal evidence and personal belief. I believe we continue after we abandon the "old computer" which is our body. Incidentally, I've had lots and lots of computers and transferred the data from one to another so I'm not sure the computer analogy is a good one. Whether or not we are reborn or whether we go somewhere else... I have no answers. What I personally believe though, is this: the people you love never really leave you. You can call this a fairy story, but I can assure you I am not afraid of the dark. I truly believe we go on, but I have no more proof than those who believe that, "when you're dead, you're dead".

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

“Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.” Albert Einstein.

Energy. It's what makes you LT and me Livia. What happens to it when we die? Einstein says energy cannot be created or destroyed, so what happens to it?

If you're buried it's worm food if you're cremated it's kindling.

My pondering is stuck on a central point when it comes to the idea that we can meaningfully exist as anything resembling the same "person" after the death of our physical body; we know (for a fact) that brain injury (trauma, tumors) or chemicals (drugs) can completely change a personality (temperament etc.), remove memories, or both... and what are we as a person if not a combination of our personality and our memories? And if something as simple as a head injury can fundamentally alter those things... hothw can it make sense that anything resembling "the person" can exist when the physical body is completely gone. Even if "some form of energy" remains, a "soul" I suppose you could call it, such a huge part of who a person is is bound to the physical structure of their brain, the balance of hormones from one moment to the next that it couldn't possibly be a "personality" resembling the human being that once existed. And if that entity is nothing like them as they were as a person then is it "them" at all?

I guess in short, traumatic brain injury, strokes, personality-altering drugs, lobotomy... these things make me strongly doubt that there is a "fundamental self" that's separate to our physical bodies. Those things wouldn't be able to change that. But they do.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you're buried it's worm food if you're cremated it's kindling.

My pondering is stuck on a central point when it comes to the idea that we can meaningfully exist as anything resembling the same "person" after the death of our physical body; we know (for a fact) that brain injury (trauma, tumors) or chemicals (drugs) can completely change a personality (temperament etc.), remove memories, or both... and what are we as a person if not a combination of our personality and our memories? And if something as simple as a head injury can fundamentally alter those things... hothw can it make sense that anything resembling "the person" can exist when the physical body is completely gone. Even if "some form of energy" remains, a "soul" I suppose you could call it, such a huge part of who a person is is bound to the physical structure of their brain, the balance of hormones from one moment to the next that it couldn't possibly be a "personality" resembling the human being that once existed. And if that entity is nothing like them as they were as a person then is it "them" at all?

I guess in short, traumatic brain injury, strokes, personality-altering drugs, lobotomy... these things make me strongly doubt that there is a "fundamental self" that's separate to our physical bodies. Those things wouldn't be able to change that. But they do.

All of that is just your opinion though, isn't it. I mean, even people who've spent a lifetime studying the human brain don't know what large parts of it do, or how large parts of it work, and why. And brain injuries, strokes etc are surely hardware problems, not software problems.

Anyhoo, I'm quite sure in my belief as you are in yours. Neither of us have the evidence to give each other even a glimmer of enlightenment on this.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you're buried it's worm food if you're cremated it's kindling.

My pondering is stuck on a central point when it comes to the idea that we can meaningfully exist as anything resembling the same "person" after the death of our physical body; we know (for a fact) that brain injury (trauma, tumors) or chemicals (drugs) can completely change a personality (temperament etc.), remove memories, or both... and what are we as a person if not a combination of our personality and our memories? And if something as simple as a head injury can fundamentally alter those things... hothw can it make sense that anything resembling "the person" can exist when the physical body is completely gone. Even if "some form of energy" remains, a "soul" I suppose you could call it, such a huge part of who a person is is bound to the physical structure of their brain, the balance of hormones from one moment to the next that it couldn't possibly be a "personality" resembling the human being that once existed. And if that entity is nothing like them as they were as a person then is it "them" at all?

I guess in short, traumatic brain injury, strokes, personality-altering drugs, lobotomy... these things make me strongly doubt that there is a "fundamental self" that's separate to our physical bodies. Those things wouldn't be able to change that. But they do.

I would have thought dna was the basic building block that makes a person who they are. Sure in another life you would have different stimuli leading you down different paths, but if you were formed from the same dna, it would be "you". It basically depends where you draw the line

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I would have thought dna was the basic building block that makes a person who they are. Sure in another life you would have different stimuli leading you down different paths, but if you were formed from the same dna, it would be "you". It basically depends where you draw the line

Talking of DNA,

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I would have thought dna was the basic building block that makes a person who they are. Sure in another life you would have different stimuli leading you down different paths, but if you were formed from the same dna, it would be "you". It basically depends where you draw the line

You would have thought... But you don't know.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

No way of finding out, I'll see when I get there. May as well see the rest of this life out first.

Its better to believe in God Alf and find out there isnt one than to not to believe and find there IS one So be good !!

[Kazanne]

I believe there is something more, I dont see the point in us learning all our knowledge for nothing,plus too many miraculous things happen for it to just be coincidental, we are passing this way and will die in our present form but we will be here again imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Listen to Neil talk about subjective and objective truth

1.40 onwards

Youtube video

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Listen to Neil talk about subjective and objective truth

1.40 onwards

Youtube video

Again, it's opinion because even he, with his great intelligence, can only guess.