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13-03-2022, 09:55 AM | #26 | ||
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It doesn't really work any more but for whatever reason there are a large group of people still forging ahead with it. Probably because they don't actually have any other way to do it because, as a consequence of doing things this way, they have no solid understanding of their own cause and the arguments offered up are immature and riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies. If you point those out, they just fall back on "getting rly angry" and the names come out (TERFs, harpies, murderers etc.). 95% aimed at women of course . Last edited by Toy Soldier; 13-03-2022 at 09:57 AM. |
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13-03-2022, 10:13 AM | #27 | |||
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No, being a bigot = being a bigot, but you defending bigots in the name of ‘protecting women’ is nothing new
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13-03-2022, 10:17 AM | #28 | |||
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13-03-2022, 10:24 AM | #29 | ||
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I'm not going to sit here and pretend that there aren't bigots who simply don't like "the idea" hanging onto the coat-tails of the debate and using it as a shield to be petty, vindictive and cruel. Of course there are, there always are in any debate. Using that as justification to "no debate" the issue and tar everyone with concerns as being "just like those people" is a deflecting tactic and absolute nonsense. High school stuff. No place at all in the real discussion - and yet it's rhetoric that's bleeding into the politics and legislation of the issue (because of most politician's endless drive to appeal to populism). Last edited by Toy Soldier; 13-03-2022 at 10:26 AM. |
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13-03-2022, 10:28 AM | #30 | ||
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To add to the above - JK Rowling is blatantly not one of those people using it as an excuse to be hateful. She has followers who do fall into that category, certainly. That's neither her fault nor her problem and none of what she has actually said is particularly unreasonable - although it's clear she's becoming increasingly frustrated.
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13-03-2022, 10:38 AM | #31 | |||
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But they do want transwomen to be recognised as what they are ... Last edited by Oliver_W; 13-03-2022 at 10:39 AM. |
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13-03-2022, 11:01 AM | #32 | |||
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Trump said last night in his speech that when he gets back in the White House he will be stopping men from competing in women's sports.
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13-03-2022, 11:05 AM | #33 | |||
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rhetoric like "hateful horde" is just not helpful
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13-03-2022, 11:17 AM | #34 | |||
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13-03-2022, 11:17 AM | #35 | |||
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And some so called "activists" are insane. But I just CAN'T see where JK is coming from on this new TIRADE of hers ,it seems she just wants to have a go at Starmer..... And I'm NOT even a big fan of his. How did she want him to refer to trans women?. It's NOT like he said anything bad ,but she's chosen to be offended. |
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13-03-2022, 11:24 AM | #36 | |||
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The voice of reason
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13-03-2022, 11:30 AM | #37 | |||
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Personally I don't feel Caitlin Jenner had the most positive impact. Sure, for the trans community she was a hero and the transition raised a lot of awareness with the media attention.
However, from my perspective I saw someone who effectively leap frogged over a huge part of what most consider an integral part of transition. Living as a female prior to surgery. In July 2015 Caitlin won a 'Woman of the year' award, she had only come out to her family in April. The award was presented by Abby Wambach, who that year had inspired the world by kissing her partner following a soccer win. Taking the award from a woman who had been as if not more pivotal in the LGBTQ+ community seemed like .. male privilege. The fact that in February that year Caitlin (then Bruce) had killed a 69yr old woman by driving recklessly. She escaped any accountability for that, again smacked of privilege due to status. The fact that once transitioned Caitlin was for a long while a right wing mouthpiece was a massive kick in the face for those struggling. She didn't appear to acknowledge the struggle that had formed the crux of her acceptance speech. And it became clear to me that in her opinion rights and change are bought, not a right.
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13-03-2022, 11:38 AM | #38 | |||
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OK Liam
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13-03-2022, 11:42 AM | #39 | |||
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Kind of ironic how some biological men think they know better on this subject.
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13-03-2022, 11:53 AM | #40 | |||
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Isn't it?
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13-03-2022, 11:55 AM | #41 | |||
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Caitlin Jenner was never considered a hero
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13-03-2022, 11:56 AM | #42 | |||
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Actually yes , as I said my son is the first to tell me how wrong I am on this...jog on manchild!
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13-03-2022, 11:58 AM | #43 | |||
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Only men that agree with you are allowed a voice then? Cause that’s what I’m getting here, none of you seem to have an issue with any of the men who are arguing the same side as you, it’s weird how you preach you’re being silenced yet diminish the opinion of people who don’t agree with you based on their gender, funny that
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13-03-2022, 11:59 AM | #44 | |||
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Was he able to explain why you're wrong?
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13-03-2022, 12:04 PM | #45 | |||
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13-03-2022, 12:09 PM | #46 | |||
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It used to be trans women and women...then it was transwomen and cis women...now the goalposts have moved again and its women as a collective, thats a not a good move for women born as women in my view
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'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages' Last edited by Cherie; 13-03-2022 at 12:11 PM. |
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13-03-2022, 12:19 PM | #47 | ||
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No attempt at all made to actually discuss or ease the fears of women, many of whom have very real personal reasons to be afraid. Just "shut up and stop getting in the way TERF". It's honestly a horrendous attitude. |
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13-03-2022, 12:20 PM | #48 | |||
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It seems to be women and "people with a cervix " or "mensturaters" so transwomen are women and women are a bodily function or body part. Men are still just men though.... odd that
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13-03-2022, 12:24 PM | #49 | |||
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13-03-2022, 12:33 PM | #50 | |||
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Also, by your example, nobody is listening to trans people in this debate, the only ones who are being highlighted like you enjoy reminding us are the looney ones who show themselves up and they’re being used as an example to tar the entire demographic to further the anti-trans agenda, JK herself didn’t this on Twitter yesterday when she posted examples of support for her, censoring out the name of said supporter, but blasting someone’s out because they disagreed with her, knowing full well what she was going to send their way. There are genuine concerns about an incredibly tiny percentage of people that could possibly abuse a loophole in the system, but I genuinely don’t believe that that’s what the majority of this is about anymore, it started off as genuine questions being asked, but i believe that it’s been turned into a full on which hunt against an already marginalises part of society, based off of ignorance and bigotry and I’ll continue to think that until I see something that changes my mind.
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