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bots · 01-04-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but like I said, "not awarding it to anyone" is just admitting that he won it. It's not on paper and he doesn't get the statue, but everyone still knows whose name was in the envelope, the rest is incidental.

history would record that he was still waiting on his first oscar though, and that matters more to them than anything

Nicky91 · 01-04-2022, 02:00 PM

if they take any action against Will, then also something against Chris please, i sympathize with Will in terms of how inappropriate that ''joke'' was

would be similar if someone made a joke about Bruce Willis his condition now

making a mockery of such conditions is just simply disgusting, and i am more shocked about Chris that he did do that, i quite like him but this well he was out of line, but the way Will acted was also out of line

so if they want to punish one, they should punish both for both being involved in creating this over the top scene at a oscars ceremony

Niamh. · 01-04-2022, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

if they take any action against Will, then also something against Chris please, i sympathize with Will in terms of how inappropriate that ''joke'' was

would be similar if someone made a joke about Bruce Willis his condition now

making a mockery of such conditions is just simply disgusting, and i am more shocked about Chris that he did do that, i quite like him but this well he was out of line, but the way Will acted was also out of line

so if they want to punish one, they should punish both for both being involved in creating this over the top scene at a oscars ceremony

You don't know Chris knew about her condition though, he didn't make a joke about alopecia, he made a joke about a hairstyle, if he did know then yes it was in poor taste but the joke wasn't that bad, Demi Moore looked great in that film with that hair cut and Jada looks great with it too. I honestly wouldn't have even thought she had her hair like that because of a condition, it just looked like a style choice and it really suits her.

bots · 01-04-2022, 02:10 PM

it's society trying to dictate what is a funny joke and what isn't, yet again. I will always support a comedians right to tell a joke and not be physically assaulted or shut down because of it

user104658 · 01-04-2022, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's society trying to dictate what is a funny joke and what isn't, yet again. I will always support a comedians right to tell a joke and not be physically assaulted or shut down because of it

Hmmmmm to be fair, I agree with that in terms of GENERAL jokes (i.e. is it ok to, in general, make a joke about alopecia) but when it comes to things like health conditions and actual individuals, I think that individual does get a say.

I'll take diabetes as an example:

- South Park, "I'm Scott Malkinson and I have diabetes!"

Fine

- One of my best friends has diabetes, we joke about it all the time and he finds it funny.

Fine

- Some random person I don't know well or who I know gets upset about having the condition...

...Not so fine to crack jokes then.

So I guess in other words, it's not OK for Jada to say "don't joke about alopecia", but it IS OK for her to say "don't joke about MY alopecia".

Swan · 01-04-2022, 03:12 PM

I don't think he should be stripped of the award, maybe a ban, but he should get to keep his Oscar. I know in the past people have done horrible, unforgivable things and thus lost their rewards/recognition for past works and achievements. However what Will did was forgivable. It was a moment of madness, and he is 100% in the wrong imo, but still, it was a very forgivable act. He swore at and slapped someone because he felt they unfairly mocked his wife, he overreacted yes, but it wasn't enough to have his past work and achievements stripped from him.

Zizu · 01-04-2022, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan

I don't think he should be stripped of the award, maybe a ban, but he should get to keep his Oscar. I know in the past people have done horrible, unforgivable things and thus lost their rewards/recognition for past works and achievements. However what Will did was forgivable. It was a moment of madness, and he is 100% in the wrong imo, but still, it was a very forgivable act. He swore at and slapped someone because he felt they unfairly mocked his wife, he overreacted yes, but it wasn't enough to have his past work and achievements stripped from him.

That’s an excellent assessment of the situation imho

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bots · 01-04-2022, 04:12 PM

it will be interesting over time to see what affect this has. The bottom line is, will he continue to be a box office draw across the world, because that will ultimately dictate his future in the business

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 08:22 AM

He's resigned as an Academy Member

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60963054

bots · 02-04-2022, 08:27 AM

he must have got wind that he was going to get booted out and jumped before he was pushed because it seemed to me a few days ago he thought he could get away with it like nothing had happened

Cherie · 02-04-2022, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he must have got wind that he was going to get booted out and jumped before he was pushed because it seemed to me a few days ago he thought he could get away with it like nothing had happened

They more than likely gave him this option to jump before he was pushed

arista · 02-04-2022, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

He's resigned as an Academy Member

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60963054

Yes that was good sense

rusticgal · 02-04-2022, 12:48 PM

Good...now I hope he gets charged for assault.

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 09:05 AM

Yeah agree with Cherie on that one, it isn't enough though imo, he needs to be banned from attending too for a few years.

Dogeatdog · 02-04-2022, 09:13 AM

“The Academy says its disciplinary proceedings will continue, which leaves open the possibility that he could be stripped of the Oscar he won on Sunday - although that seems unlikely - or he could be denied future appearance at Academy Awards ceremonies.”

So there’s still a chance he can be banned from attending. I think stripping him of his award is too harsh but I definitely think he should be banned for a few years, as much as I like Will his actions need to have consequences.

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

“The Academy says its disciplinary proceedings will continue, which leaves open the possibility that he could be stripped of the Oscar he won on Sunday - although that seems unlikely - or he could be denied future appearance at Academy Awards ceremonies.”

So there’s still a chance he can be banned from attending. I think stripping him of his award is too harsh but I definitely think he should be banned for a few years, as much as I like Will his actions need to have consequences.

I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

Dogeatdog · 02-04-2022, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

Yh it’s definitely unfair on the rest of the people involved with the film if the award is taken away from him. They shouldn’t be punished because of Will’s actions that just doesn’t sit right with me tbh and like you said it wouldn’t really make much sense anyways as it was already decided he was going to win before the incident occurred.

I think a ban from the award ceremonies for a few years at least would be a fairer punishment.

user104658 · 02-04-2022, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

I just don't think you can in principle "take back" an award, I don't think it's conceptually possible... the award isn't the little statue - it's the recognition from the award-givers that you were the best of the nominees. They can take back the statue and scribble his name off the list but the recognition that he was (in the eyes of the academy) the winner of that award still exists. The statue is just a physical token of that sentiment.

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 09:41 AM

And also, they've already given him the award if they're going to go back now and take it then in the interest of fairness they'd need to go back and take the awards from people like Weinstein and Polanski. Banning him from the event because if his behaviour at the event for a period of time is much more straightforward and fitting