[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

He's lying and you fell for it.

I didn't fall for anything. I was simply giving a comical reply to MTVN's question.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What do all the colours in the triangle represent?

The blue/pink/white is for trans people, because apparently they weren't already covered by the LGBT flag.

The black and brown is for "Black and Brown folx", because apparently they should be lumped in with LGBT people.

Originally Posted by ThomasC

non binary gender is not recognised ,

Well that's fair, non-binary identities are a load of nonsense. No need for them to have any real recognition.

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Maybe because trans people are even more discriminated against than gay people?

Are they? How so?

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The blue/pink/white is for trans people, because apparently they weren't already covered by the LGBT flag.

The black and brown is for "Black and Brown folx", because apparently they should be lumped in with LGBT people.


Well that's fair, non-binary identities are a load of nonsense. No need for them to have any real recognition.


Are they? How so?

Because it's even less accepting than being gay or lesbian.

Re non binary, well I disagree. I think you're very ignorant on the subject and judgemental, close minded. Shame really. How about just accepting people for who they are and judging them on whether they're a nice person or not? How does it impact you? Doesn't really so let people be people...if someone wants to identify as a tiger I really couldn't give a toss, it's their life, not mine

[ThomasC]

Here lies a big part of the problem, people moaning and disagreeing with others lives which do not effect them.

Rather than being nice people, people are judgemental and offensive. Just because you don't understand something or disagree with it.

If it has a direct impact on your life then maybe it's fair, but it really doesn't.

Let people be happy to enjoy their lives how they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else. I think it quite telling on how people feel about themselves....you know that saying 'says more about you than them'.... Yeah I really think it does.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Here lies a big part of the problem, people moaning and disagreeing with others lives which do not effect them.

Rather than being nice people, people are judgemental and offensive. Just because you don't understand something or disagree with it.

If it has a direct impact on your life then maybe it's fair, but it really doesn't.

Let people be happy to enjoy their lives how they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else. I think it quite telling on how people feel about themselves....you know that saying 'says more about you than them'.... Yeah I really think it does.

I think it comes back to a generation thing .

I say the same thing.
I personally have never cared what someone's race, sexuality,gender,or how they identify.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Because it's even less accepting than being gay or lesbian.

Where? By whom?

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Re non binary, well I disagree. I think you're very ignorant on the subject and judgemental, close minded. Shame really. How about just accepting people for who they are and judging them on whether they're a nice person or not? How does it impact you? Doesn't really so let people be people...if someone wants to identify as a tiger I really couldn't give a toss, it's their life, not mine

You can disagree all you like. Gender identity is a social construct, however you identify you're still male or female. Non-binary doesn't need legal recognition because it has no real existence. I don't care how nice or otherwise someone who identifies as non-binary is, their niceness doesn't make their luxury belief become true.

If someone identifies as a tiger,should we force them to eat raw meat they've hunted themselves? No, because they're not a tiger and would probably die from food poisoning. Of someone identifies as a "gender" he or she biologically isn't, should we pay along and let them into the opposite sex's sports and spaces, and allow the law to openly lie about someone having no gender? No, because gender isn't al.

We're all just apes in clothes.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where? By whom?


You can disagree all you like. Gender identity is a social construct, however you identify you're still male or female. Non-binary doesn't need legal recognition because it has no real existence. I don't care how nice or otherwise someone who identifies as non-binary is, their niceness doesn't make their luxury belief become true.

If someone identifies as a tiger,should we force them to eat raw meat they've hunted themselves? No, because they're not a tiger and would probably die from food poisoning. Of someone identifies as a "gender" he or she biologically isn't, should we pay along and let them into the opposite sex's sports and spaces, and allow the law to openly lie about someone having no gender? No, because gender isn't al.

We're all just apes in clothes.

Tbh I've noticed most 'non binary' people don't care which pronouns they get called when it comes to 'he & she' . It can get confusing to keep saying "they", and I've actually seen people still say male or female despite insisting they identify as neither so there you .

With the whole tiger thing , well there is people out there who have had their bodies modified to look more 'animal like' , I personally don't understand why or what the point is. But it's their bodies. They know the dangers & risks medically yet they chose to do it .

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where? By whom?


You can disagree all you like. Gender identity is a social construct, however you identify you're still male or female. Non-binary doesn't need legal recognition because it has no real existence. I don't care how nice or otherwise someone who identifies as non-binary is, their niceness doesn't make their luxury belief become true.

If someone identifies as a tiger,should we force them to eat raw meat they've hunted themselves? No, because they're not a tiger and would probably die from food poisoning. Of someone identifies as a "gender" he or she biologically isn't, should we pay along and let them into the opposite sex's sports and spaces, and allow the law to openly lie about someone having no gender? No, because gender isn't al.

We're all just apes in clothes.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/cy/node/24594

Also of you have a Google the research is out there. If you can't work out yourself why trans people are likely to be more discriminated against than gay or lesbian people then I don't know what else to say. I can't be bothered to educate you when you're a bigot as it really won't change your stance.

You say gender identity is a social construct, that is so behind the times. Times have evolved massively and I like to think we're more accepting these days.

Again, it really has no impact on your life.

Trans people being able to participate in sports events is another conversation, but I do agree with your point on that.

I just don't like how you completely dismiss how another person should feel or even acknowledge that it is a thing. They aren't harming no one so does it really matter? No it really does not. It's easy for you to be so ignorant when you're not that person.

Legal recognition and someone identifying as that can be two completing different things. Unless they have had an operation and then want to change their sex legally.

We shouldnt force them to do anything, if they want to do something then they can. It's not my life and it's not yours!!!

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think it comes back to a generation thing .

I say the same thing.
I personally have never cared what someone's race, sexuality,gender,or how they identify.

Agreed.

Yes generational, insecurity and ignorance......and people deflecting their sad lives... People who are genuinely happy don't need or try to pick fault in others lives because they're too busy focusing on their own and not caring.

Mirrors are great for reflecting.....often you have to look in one to see yourself

[Alf]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/cy/node/24594

Also of you have a Google the research is out there. If you can't work out yourself why trans people are likely to be more discriminated against than gay or lesbian people then I don't know what else to say. I can't be bothered to educate you when you're a bigot as it really won't change your stance.

You say gender identity is a social construct, that is so behind the times. Times have evolved massively and I like to think we're more accepting these days.

Again, it really has no impact on your life.

Trans people being able to participate in sports events is another conversation, but I do agree with your point on that.

I just don't like how you completely dismiss how another person should feel or even acknowledge that it is a thing. They aren't harming no one so does it really matter? No it really does not. It's easy for you to be so ignorant when you're not that person.

Legal recognition and someone identifying as that can be two completing different things. Unless they have had an operation and then want to change their sex legally.

We shouldnt force them to do anything, if they want to do something then they can. It's not my life and it's not yours!!!

But what if Oliver identifies as a bigot, shouldn't you respect him for that and let people be who they want to be?

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Alf

But what if Oliver identifies as a bigot, shouldn't you respect him for that and let people be who they want to be?

Objection, irrelevant.

Don't play silly with me.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Objection, irrelevant.

Don't play silly with me.

Some people think that others identifying as a tiger is playing silly.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Alf

Some people think that others identifying as a tiger is playing silly.

It might seem silly,but there's literally a bloke somewhere who's had his tongue split & wants to look like a lizard.

There's another one somewhere who had his face modified to look like a cat . Like i said .. I'll never understand it but it's their bodies & their choice,and they know the medical risks.

[Alf]

On this forum I identify as Alf Garnett and he is one of the most famous, well known bigots in history.

Anyone who has a problem with me being bigotted from now on is oppressing me. Them's the rules, I didn't make the rules up.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It is trendy but then it's not the only thing on this flag that's an attempt at that. Some things just grab the publics attention and the Ukraine war is one of those although over time people will become desensitised to it unfortunately as always happens and those flags on twitter handles will fade away. I'd say that's partly why there's not similar shows of support to the countries you mentioned - because the Middle East has been a hotbed of conflict for years and years

Or it could be as simple as the colour of their skin is more acceptable to the LGBT community.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

You say gender identity is a social construct, that is so behind the times.

Which scientists agree with this?

Gender identity is literally a belief, there's nothing there.

[user104658]

“Identity” is a social construct full stop, so there’s no question of gender identity not being a social construct.

It’s an entirely benign statement to say so, but for some reason it’s taken as offensive. Social construct doesn’t mean “not real”.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which scientists agree with this?

Gender identity is literally a belief, there's nothing there.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-constructed

A well known source again it is behind the times to view it as just a social construct, it's a lot more than that.

You're making yourself look silly now. Behave


Again

[ThomasC]

Stopping digging yourself into a hole. I've blown you out the water twice nice. Nice to see you didn't come back with the transgender article

Also love how you just quoted that part.

Here's some more links if you like;

https://qz.com/1190996/scientific-re...ial-construct/

https://www.heritage.org/gender/comm...e-the-big-ones

https://erlc.com/resource-library/ar...ruct-position/

Would you like anymore or are you giving up with making yourself look like a baffoon?

[Beso]

Does the biological side of things cover the ages you are attracted to people sexually?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Would you like anymore or are you giving up with making yourself look like a baffoon?

All you did was post a few links to some blogs, probably the first ones you found on Google, without having read them. If you had read them, you might have noticed nuggets like It is counter to medical science to use chromosomes, hormones, internal reproductive organs, external genitalia, or secondary sex characteristics to override gender identity for purposes of classifying someone as male or female , which is obviously bonkers.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

All you did was post a few links to some blogs, probably the first ones you found on Google, without having read them. If you had read them, you might have noticed nuggets like It is counter to medical science to use chromosomes, hormones, internal reproductive organs, external genitalia, or secondary sex characteristics to override gender identity for purposes of classifying someone as male or female , which is obviously bonkers.

You asked which scientists agreed with it. I found you several links. Where else would I find this information from other than Google? I didn't need to read the whole article of every link to prove my point.

Still waiting to know how it impacts your life how someone else lives theirs?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Still waiting to know how it impacts your life how someone else lives theirs?

I never said I had a personal problem with people acting like something they're not. I dislike the negative effects that come from transwomen in women's spaces and sports, but I bear them no personal ill-will.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-constructed



A well known source again it is behind the times to view it as just a social construct, it's a lot more than that.



You're making yourself look silly now. Behave





Again

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Stopping digging yourself into a hole. I've blown you out the water twice nice. Nice to see you didn't come back with the transgender article

Also love how you just quoted that part.

Here's some more links if you like;

https://qz.com/1190996/scientific-re...ial-construct/

https://www.heritage.org/gender/comm...e-the-big-ones

https://erlc.com/resource-library/ar...ruct-position/

Would you like anymore or are you giving up with making yourself look like a baffoon?

None of these are research papers? These are articles and opinion pieces, not scientific studies or research.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

None of these are research papers? These are articles and opinion pieces, not scientific studies or research.

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...3DbgkxbkozzIcJ

We conclude by considering the possibilities for the clinical encounter to subvert dominant gender ideology by authorizing more fluid gender identities and sexed bodies.

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...3DscqGpS27A4kJ

This article describes the emergence of transgender theory from feminist and queer theories that used social constructivist approaches to challenge essentialist ideas that maintained the oppression of certain gender and sexual identities.

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...3DlyXI3QgQcKcJ

The discussion advances a critical analysis of the dominant gender paradigm using two alternative theoretical perspectives on gender—queer theory and social constructionism.



So I will go back to original comment where I basically say that social construct is behind the times in matters relating to transgender. There's a lot more to it.

The problem is social constructionism or how people think, the problem is not with transgender people, but instead others ignorant views.

I didn't once say social constructs don't exist, but what I am saying is that they can be behind the times......you have to read between the lines.