[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I saw something that touched on this ..

It said that whilst many of the physical changes were somewhat reversible.. any changes to the brain were permanent


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I think it would depend how long they're on the hormone treatment, as after a while the effects would be permanent ... especially things like the voice changing and other physical stuff.
But if surgery has been involved, then sorry there's literally no reversing that ...no matter what anyone says .

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think it would depend how long they're on the hormone treatment, as after a while the effects would be permanent ... especially things like the voice changing and other physical stuff.
But if surgery has been involved, then sorry there's literally no reversing that ...no matter what anyone says .

Exactly plus the changes in the brain/s sounds horrific !


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[Mystic Mock]

I don't know if I personally like the term "phase" being used for people's feelings about their identity.

And thankfully like Liam has said, people under 18 can't have the surgery anyway, because to me that's a line that should never be crossed.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't know if I personally like the term "phase" being used for people's feelings about their identity.

And thankfully like Liam has said, people under 18 can't have the surgery anyway, because to me that's a line that should never be crossed.

They maybe can’t have surgery but they do apparently get given medications that alter their bodies - these changes are reversible.. although the changes to the brain are permanent !!


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They maybe can’t have surgery but they do apparently get given medications that alter their bodies - these changes are reversible.. although the changes to the brain are permanent !!


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Which is what i was trying to say , but people keep putting their fingers in their ears going "la la la not true la la la they only get it at age 18 la la la " .

I knew they were being given medication/ puberty blockers at a very young age .

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Which is what i was trying to say , but people keep putting their fingers in their ears going "la la la not true la la la they only get it at age 18 la la la " .

I knew they were being given medication/ puberty blockers at a very young age .

Excuse the copy and pasting


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The NHS is thankfully shutting down its gender identity clinic for children at the Tavistock and Portman NHS foundation trust after it was criticised in an independent review.

The Tavistock clinic, named the Gender and Identity Development Service (Gids), was launched more than three decades ago to help children and other young people struggling with their gender identity.

But in recent years, concerns have repeatedly been raised about the service. Inspectors rated it “inadequate” after complaints raised by whistleblowers, patients and families.
The service was criticised for its care of patients both inside and outside the clinic, and it also had record waiting lists. Doctors reported concerns that some patients were referred on to a gender transitioning pathway too quickly.
“The aim is to close the Tavistock clinic [the Gender and Identity Development Service (Gids)] by spring 2023, moving to the new provider model through specialist children hospitals,” a senior NHS source told the Guardian. There will be no immediate changes for patients already under the Tavistock’s care, according to the source. “The children being seen by the Tavistock (and those on waiting lists) will be transferred to a new provider over the course of that time.”

It followed recommendations from Dr Hilary Cass, who is leading an independent review of gender identity services for children and young people.

Yes, an NHS review has found that the drugs that the NHS has been giving to some children may disrupt their brain development and leave them less able to make complex decisions. Those drugs might have long-term consequences for the mental functioning of the children who were given them.
Now, years after their use began, Cass proposes that the NHS undertake serious and systematic research into the use of puberty blockers. Put another way, now that the horse has left the stable and has run*headlong into a brick wall, we’re starting to think about whether bolting the stable door might be a good idea.
This all raises many grim questions. Here are just two. Given the lack of evidence supporting the use of puberty blockers and the volume of concerns raised about their use, why has it taken so long for the uncertainties and risks around their use to be officially recognised? And is there any other context in which the responsible authorities – medical, governmental and political – would have been so slow to intervene over such scandalous disregard for the welfare of children?


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[Zizu]

I know of one case where two 13 years old girls transitioning to boys started dating each other months afterwards .. dating as boys though .. not girls

That is such a complex relationship


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[Redway]

No lie was told by the NHS. No doubting certain people will come for me and my ‘messed up way of thinking’ just because I have a non-biased moral compass that might seem a bit unfairly uncompromising but at the end of the day you can’t go messing with a kid who’s still trying to figure out what their identity is in the first place. Sheriff and Swan are more-than welcome to argue with me for the sake of arguing but I don’t think I’m alone with these sentiments.

[Redway]

According to some people on this little forum anyone who doesn’t have the same opinion, preference or outlook as them has a diagnosis that warrants them being straitjacketed in a secure unit with no right to privacy (ironically) so I’m not surprised some people think transgenders are insane. People love to pathologise what they don’t like or understand.

[Redway]

Idiots.

[Parmy]

Doctors know best

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Doctors know best

Lol. I doubt you’d be saying that in 1965.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Doctors know best

A few weeks ago a young doctor said to me ..

“we basically know NOTHING about Covid19 “
..

So reassuring.


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[bots]

he is desperate for votes in the midterms

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he is desperate for votes in the midterms

Its actually pathetic

[Liam-]

I mean he’s right though, in a country that based itself off of freedom, taking away a families choice of how to deal with a sensitive situation like having a trans child and the choice of how to proceed is legally and morally wrong

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I mean he’s right though, in a country that based itself off of freedom, taking away a families choice of how to deal with a sensitive situation like having a trans child and the choice of how to proceed is legally and morally wrong

I’m not even talking about kids though (I agree that developing teenagers/young kids should be given enough time to really think through their choices/options) if that post is aimed at me. I’m just addressing Oliver’s silliness and transphobia.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m not even talking about kids though (I agree that developing teenagers/young kids should be given enough time to really think through their choices/options) if that post is aimed at me. I’m just addressing Oliver’s silliness and transphobia.

No that was aimed at the Biden bashing, you’re right about Oliver, he loves to paint trans people as mentally ill quite often

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No that was aimed at the Biden bashing, you’re right about Oliver, he loves to paint trans people as mentally ill quite often

Oh, I see.

And yeah, Oliver’s a funny one. People are entitled to have whatever opinions they like in private but such undisguised transphobia/pathologisation of the T. community (and a ridiculous parallel being drawn with eating disorders) through just isn’t acceptable in 2022. It’s crazy.

[Redway]

We have a lot of people on this forum who love to paint others as mentally-ill (to the point of needing to be locked away in secure units) just for having a different opinion/lifestyle to them but the difference is Oliver’s pathologisation of trans. people goes unchecked just because he happens to articulate his posts well enough. If this was sheriff443 (another annoying poster who says the most ridiculous things) bans would be handed out like hot cakes.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I mean he’s right though, in a country that based itself off of freedom, taking away a families choice of how to deal with a sensitive situation like having a trans child and the choice of how to proceed is legally and morally wrong

I'm probably going off on a tangent with what I'm about to say here, so apologies in advance.

But is any country truly free? I know that the USA likes to pretend it is, but I personally feel like there's always been cracks in their system that prove otherwise.

My main example being that the two main parties are so corrupt that there's basically no chance of a new party rising up the ranks, which is no different to the UK.

So I'm not surprised that they as a country might be having some issues with Trans rights.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not really sure where you're getting "transphobia" from? Why is it apparently offensive to say that someone's mental perception of themself is contrary to their physical reality?

I don't think there's anything wrong with people having mental ill-health, and acting like it's an insult smacks of stigmatisation.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not really sure where you're getting "transphobia" from? Why is it apparently offensive to say that someone's mental perception of themself is contrary to their physical reality?

Because it’s 2022 for one thing.

[Redway]

And it’s a form of gaslighting,

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

And it’s a form of gaslighting,

How so?