[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

16 is not an adult ...you are still a minor in the eyes of the law , this is why here in the UK age of consent is a huge mess . I've never agreed with age of consent being 16 .

Age of consent should be 18 ,and technically to do grown up things in general it should be 18 & over .

And I know this will split opinion & be controversial, but you could even argue that 18 is still too young for gender reassignment. How many of us know what we wanted at 18 let alone 16 ??.

I still think the brain develops more after you reach 21 , and things could change. But I would prefer the age to be 18 than 16 .

I think by the age of 18 and all the years of feeling the way they have, they would know their own minds.

[Oliver_W]

FYI 16 year olds in the army can't be put on any kind of "front line", so they can't die for their country.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Holiver_and_Ivy

FYI 16 year olds in the army can't be put on any kind of "front line", so they can't die for their country.

in recent conflicts involving the UK, there have been more forces killed fulfilling logistical roles than in combat

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by SantaslettertoMeghan

in recent conflicts involving the UK, there have been more forces killed fulfilling logistical roles than in combat

Well quite. But either way, the rhetoric of "16 year olds can X so they should be able to Y" doesn't really work.

[user104658]

It's a massive self-inflicted shot to the foot for the SNP; I don't think they realise that yet, but I have a feeling they're going to find out.

[user104658]

It's a simple and undeniable fact that more (far more) than half of teens who experiment with gender norms and roles as part of figuring out their adult identity (which, genuinely, I don't think there's anything wrong with as a standalone concept) will ultimately revert to their natal sex when they realise that it doesn't mean having to stick to historically defined gender roles. We legitimately know this from years of study. Most teens who experiment don't go on to transition.

Thus, allowing the transition process to begin in the teens is flat-out unethical.

In fact the very idea of even suggesting to kids and teenagers that they should have any real idea of who they are while they're still developing both physically and intellectually is abhorrent to me and it's becoming an increasing problem. No one should identify or be identified as anything other than "a kid figuring life out" until 21, bare minimum, more realistically 25.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's a simple and undeniable fact that more (far more) than half of teens who experiment with gender norms and roles as part of figuring out their adult identity (which, genuinely, I don't think there's anything wrong with as a standalone concept) will ultimately revert to their natal sex when they realise that it doesn't mean having to stick to historically defined gender roles. We legitimately know this from years of study. Most teens who experiment don't go on to transition.

Thus, allowing the transition process to begin in the teens is flat-out unethical.

In fact the very idea of even suggesting to kids and teenagers that they should have any real idea of who they are while they're still developing both physically and intellectually is abhorrent to me and it's becoming an increasing problem. No one should identify or be identified as anything other than "a kid figuring life out" until 21, bare minimum, more realistically 25.

[Redway]

I don't believe that 16's nearly old enough but from a prerogative-entitlement lens I don't think it's too unreasonable. I'm not the one to go looking for conflict and pick pointless arguments with strangers for no reason so whatever pronouns they'd rather we use in reference to them I'd just use. There are some people on this thread who would be legally opposed to anyone (even 18/21+ folk) from transitioning in any case if they had it their way so age isn't necessarily the determining deal-breaker here, not as far as I can tell.

[arista]

[hijaxers]

Please let this be the end of Nicola Sturgeon, she's gone completely nuts. Government must stop this insanity.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Tinsel Toes

Please let this be the end of Nicola Sturgeon, she's gone completely nuts. Government must stop this insanity.

They won't stop it though , and I agree ... she's lost the plot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Look how that creepy simp sees it as "losing"

as if its a game

vile

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kevin the Carrot

Look how that creepy simp sees it as "losing"

as if its a game

vile

The only thing being lost is women's rights.

Vile indeed.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Holiver_and_Ivy

The only thing being lost is women's rights.

Vile indeed.

How are women’s rights or generally anything other than the intrinsic right of teenagers to experimentation bound within certain limits being lost?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

How are women’s rights or generally anything other than the intrinsic right of teenagers to experimentation bound within certain limits being lost?

Because their right to woman-only spaces has been eroded that little bit more.

[arista]

[bots]

there are giant loop holes in the legislation and sturgeon refused to have any amendments that would have gone a long way to calming womens fears. That, primarily, is why there is so much anger about the whole thing

[Beso]

Originally Posted by SantaslettertoMeghan

there are giant loop holes in the legislation and sturgeon refused to have any amendments that would have gone a long way to calming womens fears. That, primarily, is why there is so much anger about the whole thing

As usual she just ploughs ahead regardless.

[arista]

The Labour leader
is backing this move

Some in his Party are not


Times Radio and LBC debated it.

[arista]

Another Live Debate
on this, on LBC
now

[arista]

[arista]

Well Labour and SNP
back it.

Conservatives Will Not

[Oliver_W]

Has been blocked by the UK Government. Good. Didn't realise they cared about women.

Though the tin foil hat in me wonders if Sturgeon did this deliberately, so she could crow on about how they "need" independence, and that the UK Gov protecting women's rights is an affront to Scotland's agency, and blahhblahh.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Has been blocked by the UK Government. Good. Didn't realise they cared about women.

Though the tin foil hat in me wonders if Sturgeon did this deliberately, so she could crow on about how they "need" independence, and that the UK Gov protecting women's rights is an affront to Scotland's agency, and blahhblahh.

I think Scotland needs a break from Sturgeon and her mental ideas. Well donr Richie.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

I think Scotland needs a break from Sturgeon and her mental ideas. Well donr Richie.

Sturgeon is a mess , she needs a wake up call