[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Oh she’s the one that was on GMB and said being gay was a choice. I’m afraid someone that holds dangerous and stupid views like that does not deserve the time of day.

And you think somehow forcing LGBT ideology on her kid will help matters??? . You're never going to agree with everyone, there's plenty of stuff we all disagree on in life . But you can't go around dictating people.... whilst trying to indoctrinate aswell .

[GoldHeart]

And why does a child as young as 4 need to be 'taught' these things ? .

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And why does a child as young as 4 need to be 'taught' these things ? .

The argument that they'll make is that if you expose the child to interacting with LGBT people, then it increases the likelihood of the child being more accepting of gay people or Bisexuals when they're older, and again will likely interact with the LGBTQ community at some point in their life.

I can definitely see where the School is coming from tbf, it's kinda similar to when I was at School in Birmingham and they would have us all from all sorts of different backgrounds so that we'd be more accepting of each other, admittedly because we were all kids back then we all said things that we should never have said (myself included) but I honestly feel that the exposure to different races, Religions and other factors did help me be more accepting of other types of people as I've got older, and I will presume the same for others in my class at the time as well that they grew from the experience of a more multi-cultural School.

I'm thinking that kind of logic is what Schools are going with when they're having kids interact with Drag Queens and attending an LGBTQ parade, it's to try and stop children from either being scared of this particular group, and it's probably also to stop them from repressing their sexuality if they turn out to be Gay when they're older.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The argument that they'll make is that if you expose the child to interacting with LGBT people, then it increases the likelihood of the child being more accepting of gay people or Bisexuals when they're older, and again will likely interact with the LGBTQ community at some point in their life.

I can definitely see where the School is coming from tbf, it's kinda similar to when I was at School in Birmingham and they would have us all from all sorts of different backgrounds so that we'd be more accepting of each other, admittedly because we were all kids back then we all said things that we should never have said (myself included) but I honestly feel that the exposure to different races, Religions and other factors did help me be more accepting of other types of people as I've got older, and I will presume the same for others in my class at the time as well that they grew from the experience of a more multi-cultural School.

I'm thinking that kind of logic is what Schools are going with when they're having kids interact with Drag Queens and attending an LGBTQ parade, it's to try and stop children from either being scared of this particular group, and it's probably also to stop them from repressing their sexuality if they turn out to be Gay when they're older.

I still feel that this kind of thing could wait until the high school phase


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And why does a child as young as 4 need to be 'taught' these things ? .

That’s my stance as well


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[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And you think somehow forcing LGBT ideology on her kid will help matters??? . You're never going to agree with everyone, there's plenty of stuff we all disagree on in life . But you can't go around dictating people.... whilst trying to indoctrinate aswell .

What's LGBT ideology?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And you think somehow forcing LGBT ideology on her kid will help matters??? . You're never going to agree with everyone, there's plenty of stuff we all disagree on in life . But you can't go around dictating people.... whilst trying to indoctrinate aswell .

Oh do be quiet. The woman is an ignorant homophobe. A born again Christian. Wouldn’t be so bad if she was actually religious. She’s made a choice to be religious.

Forcing LGBT ideologies? Are you for real? It isn’t something you can push onto anyone
I think anything that brings children up to be accepting of all life’s different types of people and unique families is what’s the main goal. Anyone that isn’t stupid can see that.

Like I said, the woman is an ignorant homophobe using religion to back up her appalling views.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Oh do be quiet. The woman is an ignorant homophobe. A born again Christian. Wouldn’t be so bad if she was actually religious. She’s made a choice to be religious.

Forcing LGBT ideologies? Are you for real? It isn’t something you can push onto anyone
I think anything that brings children up to be accepting of all life’s different types of people and unique families is what’s the main goal. Anyone that isn’t stupid can see that.

Like I said, the woman is an ignorant homophobe using religion to back up her appalling views.

You never see these people protesting that children be sheltered from heterosexual relationships, you have to wonder what makes them think learning of homosexuality is any different.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

You never see these people protesting that children be sheltered from heterosexual relationships, you have to wonder what makes them think learning of homosexuality is any different.

Well what do you mean by "heterosexual relationship" , a child as young as 4 doesn't need to know anything about that sort of thing regardless of sexuality & gender. I'm also against sex education being taught to them at that age .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And you think somehow forcing LGBT ideology on her kid will help matters??? . You're never going to agree with everyone, there's plenty of stuff we all disagree on in life . But you can't go around dictating people.... whilst trying to indoctrinate aswell .

Exactly. What’s more offensive than anything the mother’s said or done is a lack of appreciation and acknowledgment of cultural nuances on this thread by people who are supposed to be some of the most anti-racist people on this forum. Most black children come from the most loving homes but the situational cultural context is by-and-large a bit different and certain values (especially as far as active religion goes) are held more conservatively and intensely so black people generally are far more likely to be homophobic and anti-gay than white people and everyone knows that deep down. I’m not saying it applies to the vast, vast majority of black parents or that it might not need challenging on a cultural level (I’m not getting into that) but there’s no point naively pretending that two Jamaican parents or a family of strict Deeper Life Bible Church members are going to be about the LGBT propaganda like that. It’s a bit different with second-gen./millennial folk but you can’t force that type of ideology or practice unquestionably on the typical first-generation black family to accept for their kids. You just can’t and that’s that. It doesn’t make the parents bad or thoroughly-bigoted people. It makes them people who hold different cultural and religious values.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Exactly. What’s more offensive than anything the mother’s said or done is a lack of appreciation and acknowledgment of cultural nuances on this thread by people who are supposed to be some of the most anti-racist people on this forum. Most black children come from the most loving homes but the situational cultural context is by-and-large a bit different and certain values (especially as far as active religion goes) are held more conservatively and intensely so black people generally are far more likely to be homophobic and anti-gay than white people and everyone knows that deep down. I’m not saying it applies to the vast, vast majority of black parents or that it might not need challenging on a cultural level (I’m not getting into that) but there’s no point naively pretending that two Jamaican parents or a family of strict Deeper Life Bible Church members are going to be about the LGBT propaganda like that. It’s a bit different with second-gen./millennial folk but you can’t force that type of ideology or practice unquestionably on the typical first-generation black family to accept for their kids. You just can’t and that’s that. It doesn’t make the parents bad or thoroughly-bigoted people. It makes them people who hold different cultural and religious values.

and the ironic thing is this is generally accepted in other faiths but not in Christianity

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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and the ironic thing is this is generally accepted in other faiths but not in Christianity

Cherie
Christianity & Catholicsm is always an easy target , just look at how Sam Smith & Madonna mocks it .

[bots]

hang on a minute. 4 years old means that the child is at nursery school, probably privately run, outside of the education system. So this story is just alarmist nonsense. A nursery school can't demand anything of a parent

[AnnieK]

At my son's primary school, most activities like this were non compulsary....same with religious celebrations. He had a Jehovah's witness in his class who was excused from all Christmas and Easter related activities. I've not read the article but does it give reasons why the child was not guven permission to be excused from this. Pkus at 4, surely you'd just keep them at home rather than go through the the arse ache of suing?

I'm sure the Pride event was just a fun day....it won't have been highly sexualised either

Sounds like a fuss about nothing to me

[MTVN]

June 2018? This was nearly 5 years ago

Wonder why she's still going on about it

[Livia]

Who is teaching our children, and what are they teaching them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

meanwhile the teachers are on strike....

(13 weeks holiday pa)

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

meanwhile the teachers are on strike....

(13 weeks holiday pa)

Teachers don't get paid for holidays, just FYI.

Monthly salary, sure, but the pay is pro rata.

[Liam-]

Seeing people going down the right wing wormhole live is fascinating, but entirely predictable, starts with questions about trans people and leads to wanting to ‘protect’ kids from the ‘gay agenda’ it’s just proving the point of what the anti-trans movement has been about the entire time and where it was always going to end up, it’s sad

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Seeing people going down the right wing wormhole live is fascinating, but entirely predictable, starts with questions about trans people and leads to wanting to ‘protect’ kids from the ‘gay agenda’ it’s just proving the point of what the anti-trans movement has been about the entire time and where it was always going to end up, it’s sad

No-one on this thread’s being right-wing, not even LeatherTrumpet. It’s more a case of not thinking a 4-year-old should have to take part in an LGBT parade if they don’t want to or their parents would rather they didn’t. 4-year-olds don’t need to know about any of that stuff.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Redway

No-one on this thread’s being right-wing, not even LeatherTrumpet. It’s more a case of not thinking a 4-year-old should have to take part in an LGBT parade if they don’t want to or their parents would rather they didn’t. 4-year-olds don’t need to know about any of that stuff.

Again it’s not the not wanting her child to attend the parade it’s the reasons for her not wanting her child to. She’s been on tv with her backwards opinions about homosexuality. That’s the issue here

[Liam-]

I hope you get equally as outraged about parents forcing their kids to go to church? I mean, we all know that history so they can’t be considered safe spaces for children

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I hope you get equally as outraged about parents forcing their kids to go to church? I mean, we all know that history so they can’t be considered safe spaces for children

Of course they don’t.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Of course they don’t.

Nope, because straight people aren’t considered natural dangerous to vulnerable people, everybody can see how thinly veiled the bigotry is except the people that are getting sucked into the toxicity of it all

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I hope you get equally as outraged about parents forcing their kids to go to church? I mean, we all know that history so they can’t be considered safe spaces for children

So you are admitting it is wrong, and as bad as forcing religion on children?