[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you dont vote them in...you can complain

If you vote them in and they dont do what you want them to do ...you can complain

If you dont vote you have no voice

At the very least spoil you vote as a protest

If someone told you you cant vote...would you want to?

Personally I think that's the group that shouldn't complain, because those people ultimately were the ones that fell for the lies of the party in question, therefore are the reason why everyone else is suffering with bad leadership.

[thesheriff443]

I’ve never voted
I’ve lived under a conservative government and a labour government with exactly the same outcome
Just because someone doesn’t vote doesn’t mean they lose their right to have an opinion

Stop worrying about what others are doing and worry about yourself

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

sure but then dont complain about the outcome....err Brexit

i voted in the brexit vote because my vote actually counted. Where i live, it is the 2nd most safe tory seat in the country, so there is literally no point in voting. If they lost, i would laugh my head off, but for that to realistically happen, the tories would need to be down to there last couple of seats, which would mean labour had wiped them out

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by smudgie

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I will be voting.
Mayor is easy, he has done great things since he was elected. Therefore he has our vote.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you don't live in London

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i voted in the brexit vote because my vote actually counted. Where i live, it is the 2nd most safe tory seat in the country, so there is literally no point in voting.

In that case, maybe Tory voters will complacently think there's no point in voting. Maybe some disillusioned Tory voters will vote another way. Maybe enough people have since turned 18 who wouldn't vote Tory.

[user104658]

Yes but for the first time in a long time - I do not know who I'm going to vote for. I have some pretty major issues with various policies right across the current political landscape. I can no longer vote SNP. I will never vote Tory. I'm highly concerned about some of the policy decisions I think Labour might make. Lib Dems are obviously a joke. I'm not an environmentalist (too much nihilism for it I'm afraid). I'm not an old hamskin boot so I can't vote for any of the new right wing racist gammon parties.

The perils of the sensible centre I guess ... it may end up being a tactical vote.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In that case, maybe Tory voters will complacently think there's no point in voting.

This is half the reason Brexit happened in the first place. People didn't realise the implications, didn't even bother to look into it, let alone vote... 'cos the "Remain" team at the time were highly complacent and passed on that complacency to the public. People thought "leave" simply wasn't going to happen, so didn't get out of bed to vote.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Yes but for the first time in a long time - I do not know who I'm going to vote for. I have some pretty major issues with various policies right across the current political landscape. I can no longer vote SNP. I will never vote Tory. I'm highly concerned about some of the policy decisions I think Labour might make. Lib Dems are obviously a joke. I'm not an environmentalist (too much nihilism for it I'm afraid). I'm not an old hamskin boot so I can't vote for any of the new right wing racist gammon parties.

The perils of the sensible centre I guess ... it may end up being a tactical vote.

i just can't bring myself to vote for any of the main party's, it was the same at the last GE. If there was a good independent, i would be first in the queue, but there isn't

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is half the reason Brexit happened in the first place. People didn't realise the implications, didn't even bother to look into it, let alone vote... 'cos the "Remain" team at the time were highly complacent and passed on that complacency to the public. People thought "leave" simply wasn't going to happen, so didn't get out of bed to vote.

Quite.

I daresay that people who "want change" are more inclined than those who don't - those who voted for Brexit would have wanted the UK to leave the EU, and these people outnumbered those who either didn't care(/vote), and those who wanted to Remain; and those who, as you say, didn't bother because they complacently believed the voted would be for Remain.

So I'd say it's within the realms of possibility that similarly, Labour could just squeak through due to complacency and enough people wanting A Change(tm).

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i just can't bring myself to vote for any of the main party's, it was the same at the last GE. If there was a good independent, i would be first in the queue, but there isn't

Then have your say with a spoiled ballot. They get counted too, and the more "None, Thanks" that get counted, the more it can at least create a discussion as to why people can't even hold their nose to vote for anyone.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then have your say with a spoiled ballot. They get counted too, and the more "None, Thanks" that get counted, the more it can at least create a discussion as to why people can't even hold their nose to vote for anyone.

I agree it's a better option than not voting at all as it removes and assumptions about the reason for the lack-of-vote... I think really the issue is that there's no such thing as opting out. Not voting is effectively a half-vote for the "bookie's favourite" -- it's saying "Meh I'll largely accept the expected outcome".

[Nicky91]

i never vote in my nation, because my vote is just one vote and our politics is more **** than yours tbh


as for if i have ''no voice'' well there is freedom of speech for everyone, at least that is what i always say

[James]

Yeah, I always vote. I like voting.

Although there was a community council election here recently where I didn't vote, because all the candidates were individuals, not associated with any political party. I didn't know anything about any of them so I didn't know who to vote for.

[Niamh.]

Would you not vote for an independent even?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Do you see the point of Police and Crime Commissioners smudgie.
I personally didn't see the point of them although I do vote for to elect one.

I just believe in using my vote
Near all decisions MPs make or Councils make.
Affect our lives, our family's lives and those of friends and neighbours.
As well as the citizens of the whole area and Country
As to freedoms, finances and whole livelihoods.
I like to have a day in that via my vote.

Not at all Joey. Waste of taxpayers money.
I like to cast my vote, win or lose its good to have a say, however small that may be.

[James]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Would you not vote for an independent even?

In this election they were all independents. I think you might have had to choose 4 out of 5 candidates. or something like that.

I would have been making a random selection.

[James]

If you don't vote you still have the right to complain about things. Ultimately though, voting is how politicians get held to account, so if they knew you weren't voting, they are less likely to listen to you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

If you don't vote you still have the right to complain about things. Ultimately though, voting is how politicians get held to account, so if they knew you weren't voting, they are less likely to listen to you.

Lucky Dipper

[Kazanne]

Im undecided but no doubt we will vote ,

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not at all Joey. Waste of taxpayers money.
I like to cast my vote, win or lose its good to have a say, however small that may be.

I agree.
That's how I feel as to voting too.

Good luck with your vote for Mayor smudgie.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'd say spoiling the paper is making more use of democracy, as even spoiled ballots get counted.

An official "none of the above" says more than a no-show.

Although... I was at a count where someone had drawn a cock and balls next to the Tory's name and as there was no other mark on the paper we claimed it as a vote...and the returning officer accepted it. So if you're going to spoil your ballot, make sure you make a thorough job of it.

I think everyone should have to vote even if you do spoil your ballot. It's a civic duty like jury service.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Weren't you a big fan of Boris though?

Kinda liked his personality .. not his politics


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[Maru]

I always vote. I am in the US and there's little difference in the grand scheme who we vote nationally as the parties always stick up for themselves, so our destiny feels prewritten in favor of one direction mindless partisanship. Locally is where it actually matters.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Although... I was at a count where someone had drawn a cock and balls next to the Tory's name and as there was no other mark on the paper we claimed it as a vote...and the returning officer accepted it. So if you're going to spoil your ballot, make sure you make a thorough job of it.

I think everyone should have to vote even if you do spoil your ballot. It's a civic duty like jury service.

Finally an explanation for how the Tories managed to be in power for so long!