[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he is a knob

OK


Tom or Suella?

[bots]

none of the names suggested, they have all proven themselves to be crap

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

none of the names suggested, they have all proven themselves to be crap

They need New Names in this mix
which may start next week.........

[Crimson Dynamo]

The party is finished in its current guise

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The party is finished in its current guise

Depends what a New Leader does

[bots]

the party isn't finished, they are the official opposition for the next 5 years. It's up to them to understand where they went wrong

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the party isn't finished, they are the official opposition for the next 5 years. It's up to them to understand where they went wrong

People have been telling them for the last year exactly what they did wrong -if any of them don't know by now they should f off and go work in KFC

absolute shower of twats

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

People have been telling them for the last year exactly what they did wrong -if any of them don't know by now they should f off and go work in KFC

absolute shower of twats

they don't yet seem to understand that it was their own behaviour that caused their downfall. They didn't give a crap about voters until Rishi called the election, and then they went holy ****

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they don't yet seem to understand that it was their own behaviour that caused their downfall. They didn't give a crap about voters until Rishi called the election, and then they went holy ****

I bet people like Mordant was shocked when she lost her seat

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I bet people like Mordant was shocked when she lost her seat

you can almost say with certainty given that plymouth is a naval base, that she lost her seat the moment Rishi knocked off early from the d day event

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you can almost say with certainty given that plymouth is a naval base, that she lost her seat the moment Rishi knocked off early from the d day event

Oh yeah

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Sadly, I think you're right. Shame. I must ask joeysteele his thoughts on this.

Hello Livia.

Just seen this so am happy to say how I see things.

The Labour Party membership has now twice, along with the MPs and Unions at Labour conferences voted to adopt PR .
The last time overwhelmingly so.

It's estimated 80+% of members support PR.
The Unions overwhelmingly do.
Plus more than half the last number of MPs too.

Infuriatingly Starmer stated, PR was not a policy for the manifesto in this election just passed.
However the Labour movement wants it so will still keep on for it.
I will and despite this election win I've seen no change from the membership as to still wanting it.

In 1997 Labour won big then it was gone after 2 more elections.
That will definitely happen again after the next election or one after that.
I think Starmer knows that too.

The votes were poor in this election.
Only 34% to Labour.
A Conservative revival would soon get their votes rising.
So while powerful this government can be, it hasn't had a massive vote endorsement.

Now, I'll never vote Reform or want Reform to do well.
However I believe in fairness and justice.
No electoral system that sees the Parties winning power on a paltry number of votes is right in my view.

Reform got 14% and 5 seats.
LibDems got 12% and 72 seats.
The Greens, they got less than 7% but only one seat less than Reform on 4.

No wonder over a third of voters don't even vote.

I would hope and would fight for PR, it has to come from in the present, Conservative or Labour Parties.
Because if one of them is weak the other is likely to be strong and this ridiculous electoral system will go on.

If Labour are doing okay but not moving much forward in 3 to 4 years
I can see PR being in the next manifesto.
Because that would I believe, ensure Labour wins easily again.
Since even Reform would be supporting that.
Along with every other Party and Independents elected to this parliament.
Plus it's already been passed and called for at 2 Labour conferences.

PR in my view would be fairer.
Seats for votes, not seats as gifts.
Real change to votes being made to really count and decide more representative government..

If that meant Reform broke through then so be it.
That's what's called democracy.
PR would ensure that no single Party could likely win a big majority for a minority of votes
So the government would be of at least 2 Parties to govern with real authority.

If too, however, Starmer and Labour were successful this time in government.
Then the way they could likely best protect their successes would be to have PR in place.
So no way could the Conservatives with a majority alone tear up any successes.

The argument for me however is one of fairness and justice.
I came to this view in 2005 aged 13.
When I saw Labour get 35.2% of the votes, the Conservatives getting 32.3%, yet Labour in with a 68 overall majority.
No way right.
A voting system that can create that outcome has to be unfair.

I rarely agree with Nigel Farage however he calls this fair votes when he talks of PR.
He's right on that.

Starmer can ride high now, as Blair did and even Thatcher did.
However it will crash again because of this electoral system which may well give strong government but not the right and fair government.

That's why I support PR.
I also believe it's closer than ever before now.
Since it has been passed at 2 Labour conferences.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you can almost say with certainty given that plymouth is a naval base, that she lost her seat the moment Rishi knocked off early from the d day event

She was MP for Portsmouth North bots not Plymouth.

Johnny Mercer was Plymouth, he lost too however.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She was MP for Portsmouth North bots not Plymouth.

Johnny Mercer was Plymouth, he lost too however.

Portsmouth is also a big naval base

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Portsmouth is also a big naval base

Portsmouth suffered 67 major bombing raids between 1940 and 1944 due to that fact!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Portsmouth is also a big naval base

I know that.

One of my Brothers lives there.
I got to spend a days canvassing in this election there.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hello Livia.

Just seen this so am happy to say how I see things.

The Labour Party membership has now twice, along with the MPs and Unions at Labour conferences voted to adopt PR .
The last time overwhelmingly so.

It's estimated 80+% of members support PR.
The Unions overwhelmingly do.
Plus more than half the last number of MPs too.

Infuriatingly Starmer stated, PR was not a policy for the manifesto in this election just passed.
However the Labour movement wants it so will still keep on for it.
I will and despite this election win I've seen no change from the membership as to still wanting it.

In 1997 Labour won big then it was gone after 2 more elections.
That will definitely happen again after the next election or one after that.
I think Starmer knows that too.

The votes were poor in this election.
Only 34% to Labour.
A Conservative revival would soon get their votes rising.
So while powerful this government can be, it hasn't had a massive vote endorsement.

Now, I'll never vote Reform or want Reform to do well.
However I believe in fairness and justice.
No electoral system that sees the Parties winning power on a paltry number of votes is right in my view.

Reform got 14% and 5 seats.
LibDems got 12% and 72 seats.
The Greens, they got less than 7% but only one seat less than Reform on 4.

No wonder over a third of voters don't even vote.

I would hope and would fight for PR, it has to come from in the present, Conservative or Labour Parties.
Because if one of them is weak the other is likely to be strong and this ridiculous electoral system will go on.

If Labour are doing okay but not moving much forward in 3 to 4 years
I can see PR being in the next manifesto.
Because that would I believe, ensure Labour wins easily again.
Since even Reform would be supporting that.
Along with every other Party and Independents elected to this parliament.
Plus it's already been passed and called for at 2 Labour conferences.

PR in my view would be fairer.
Seats for votes, not seats as gifts.
Real change to votes being made to really count and decide more representative government..

If that meant Reform broke through then so be it.
That's what's called democracy.
PR would ensure that no single Party could likely win a big majority for a minority of votes
So the government would be of at least 2 Parties to govern with real authority.

If too, however, Starmer and Labour were successful this time in government.
Then the way they could likely best protect their successes would be to have PR in place.
So no way could the Conservatives with a majority alone tear up any successes.

The argument for me however is one of fairness and justice.
I came to this view in 2005 aged 13.
When I saw Labour get 35.2% of the votes, the Conservatives getting 32.3%, yet Labour in with a 68 overall majority.
No way right.
A voting system that can create that outcome has to be unfair.

I rarely agree with Nigel Farage however he calls this fair votes when he talks of PR.
He's right on that.

Starmer can ride high now, as Blair did and even Thatcher did.
However it will crash again because of this electoral system which may well give strong government but not the right and fair government.

That's why I support PR.
I also believe it's closer than ever before now.
Since it has been passed at 2 Labour conferences.

Thank you joey, a very interesting read.

[Livia]

Penny Mordaunt was an officer in the Royal Naval Reserve and is how an honorary commander.

[joeysteele]

Penny Mordaunt was also shaping up to be a good Defence secretary.
Then Boris Johnson sacked her when he became leader.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This chap may emerge over the coming weeks

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A long space between electing a new leader can create problems too.

In Labour for instance, when James Callaghan lost to Margaret Thatcher in May 1979.
He stayed in place for 18 months until November 1980.

Hoping to likely make the best choice of new leader.

Result, they elected Michael Foot.
Which brought about the splits on the European union, leading to the creation from former Labour MPs of the Social Democratic Party, SDP.

I hope the Conservatives will reflect on political history.
Because like then , they need to see off the really awful Reform Party set up.
The very thought of narcissist Farage becoming the real opposition leader or worse still ever gaining power should be really worrying as much as it could be dangerous.

The Conservatives are the oldest political Party, they have been a formidable winning machine in elections.
I'm Labour but I respect the Conservatives as political foes.
However I don't want either to see them destroyed, and certainly not for an extreme divisive outfit such as the UKIP/Brexit and now in its 3rd stage Reform all still under the same narcissistic divisive Farage.

I'm not sure Badenoch would be the right choice but it's not for me to really comment.
I liked Tom Tugendhat before.
If I was a Conservative I'd likely be supporting someone more like him.

However I really hope they make a good choice because like with Labour in the 80s
Who had to get someone in place to see off the split voting between Labour and the Liberal/SDP Alliance
Here and now the Conservatives need to ensure they move to see off Reform.
Not letting Farage etc; get any stronger hold.
I hope the Conservative Party will succeed in that.

I agree with the BIB.

Extreme Political viewpoints that Reform want to spread should be kept exclusively to Social Media.

[The Slim Reaper]

Tory voters are moving to Farage, not the other way around.

That's the issue the tories face. Kind and compassionate conservatism is a dead endeavour (not that it ever really existed), and the measured Tories of the past have gone the way of the dodo, banished from the party in the 2019 purge.

The same way that Starmers purge of labour, has also removed the consistence of the party.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Rishi and the other lily livered lemmings just jumped ship because the media and labour went on a witch hunt .. Rishi renounced his leader and supposed friend .. promised the earth and steered the country into an abyss


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Tbf to Rishi and Boris, it's largely Cameron and May's fault why we're in the mess that we're in now, especially Cameron who was completely incompetent at his job.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf to Rishi and Boris, it's largely Cameron and May's fault why we're in the mess that we're in now, especially Cameron who was completely incompetent at his job.

He was cruel and cowardly, not incompetent. His 2010 austerity policies, have been directly linked to the deaths of over 300k sick and disabled people.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He was cruel and cowardly, not incompetent. His 2010 austerity policies, have been directly linked to the deaths of over 300k sick and disabled people.

Oh I agree that he was cruel too.