[Ammi]

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…the whole story is just so screwed up and the monster characteristics were inherited from their parents who took away their childhood which ultimately led to their adulthood being lost also in the confines of a prison…their father was obviously an horrendous abuser but their mother also was awful…and if they appeared to be sociopathic in their behaviour, it was obviously because learned to bury so much of their emotion inside in trying to make themselves immune and detached to the harm that was being done to them…

[Ammi]

…I finished watching the series yesterday evening….I do need to read up some information about it and see how factual it all was….such a complex case, though…

[bots]

i've just started it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I finished watching the series yesterday evening….I do need to read up some information about it and see how factual it all was….such a complex case, though…

Oct 7th there's a documentary coming to Netflix about the case so that should be better

[LaLaLand]

There’s a documentary about the case featuring the brothers (via phone from prison) coming to Netflix in October.

Youtube video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oct 7th there's a documentary coming to Netflix about the case so that should be better

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

There’s a documentary about the case featuring the brothers (via phone from prison) coming to Netflix in October.

Youtube video

…thank you both, I’ll for sure watch the documentary next month…

[bots]

i was just bewildered by this series. I can't think of another way of describing it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

i was just bewildered by this series. I can't think of another way of describing it

Are you going to watch the documentary that's coming out soon?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you going to watch the documentary that's coming out soon?

yep

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

yep

Good, it will be interesting to see the two side by side

[Niamh.]

Oh just one other piece of information that wasn't in the show (and unfortunately wasn't found until after the verdicts) was

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A letter Erik wrote nine months before the killings to his cousin telling him about the abuse

[bots]

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This event happened in the 80's at which point abuse really wasn't a thing that was talked about, so comparing it with todays environment just doesn't work. Many juries wouldn't believe it was an actual credible possibility

The way the show was dramatised, really didn't work for me. It's like latter series of the crown, where we are all well aware that apart from the key historical facts, the rest was just fiction. Look at the jury discussion during sentencing. That was just complete nonsense. They were going back and questioning whether they were innocent or guilty, where the same jury had just unanimously declared them guilty. The object of sentencing is to determine the death or imprisonment, not to relitigate the case

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

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This event happened in the 80's at which point abuse really wasn't a thing that was talked about, so comparing it with todays environment just doesn't work. Many juries wouldn't believe it was an actual credible possibility

The way the show was dramatised, really didn't work for me. It's like latter series of the crown, where we are all well aware that apart from the key historical facts, the rest was just fiction. Look at the jury discussion during sentencing. That was just complete nonsense. They were going back and questioning whether they were innocent or guilty, where the same jury had just unanimously declared them guilty. The object of sentencing is to determine the death or imprisonment, not to relitigate the case

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I stopped watching the Crown, only watched a couple of episodes of the last season

I agree with you though I really didn't like how they dramatised this case. I found it really distasteful how the brothers who were very very likely to have been victims of childhood sexual abuse were really objectified and sexualised in this show

[Niamh.]

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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

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This event happened in the 80's at which point abuse really wasn't a thing that was talked about, so comparing it with todays environment just doesn't work. Many juries wouldn't believe it was an actual credible possibility

The way the show was dramatised, really didn't work for me. It's like latter series of the crown, where we are all well aware that apart from the key historical facts, the rest was just fiction. Look at the jury discussion during sentencing. That was just complete nonsense. They were going back and questioning whether they were innocent or guilty, where the same jury had just unanimously declared them guilty. The object of sentencing is to determine the death or imprisonment, not to relitigate the case

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…also, though…that it was discussed that the reason the male jurors didn’t give a not guilty was not because of the case or any evidence put forward…?…it was because they didn’t take to the female defence attorney/…one of them…

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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I stopped watching the Crown, only watched a couple of episodes of the last season

I agree with you though I really didn't like how they dramatised this case. I found it really distasteful how the brothers who were very very likely to have been victims of childhood sexual abuse were really objectified and sexualised in this show

The gays have been proper thirsting on it for the last few days.

[Ammi]

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…I’ve been chatting to someone a bit about it…not in depth but they know more about the case/story than I do and they don’t feel that it was an accurate portrayal…I’m more looking forward to watching the documentary now…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The gays have been proper thirsting on it for the last few days.

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…do you think that it was a good portrayal, Glenn…?…or do you think it was quite ‘Ryan Murphy fantasised…?…‘

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…do you think that it was a good portrayal, Glenn…?…or do you think it was quite ‘Ryan Murphy fantasised…?…‘

Just more of the same from Ryan Murphy isn’t it really. I mean it’s like he tried to cover all bases and make you feel for the mum and dad and the brothers but it was a mess.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The gays have been proper thirsting on it for the last few days.

Did you watch it? It's just in pretty bad taste considering what they went through as children really. I know that seems to be Ryan Murphys schtick to sexualise everything but it's a bit much when your talking about child abuse victims

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…I’ve been chatting to someone a bit about it…not in depth but they know more about the case/story than I do and they don’t feel that it was an accurate portrayal…I’m more looking forward to watching the documentary now…

Yeah same here Ammi. This dramatisation is supposed to be decent too

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6110318/

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Just more of the same from Ryan Murphy isn’t it really. I mean it’s like he tried to cover all bases and make you feel for the mum and dad and the brothers but it was a mess.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Did you watch it? It's just in pretty bad taste considering what they went through as children really. I know that seems to be Ryan Murphys schtick to sexualise everything but it's a bit much when your talking about child abuse victims



Yeah same here Ammi. This dramatisation is supposed to be decent too

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6110318/

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…also the inference seemed to be that the relationship with the brothers was possibly incestuous…?…which seems to be a fabrication in terms of anything factual written…that was only ever a speculation thing based on a one time incident of Lyle taking Erik into the woods with a toothbrush and enacting something his father had done to him in trying to ‘normalise’ it as something that was done within a family…that abuse act with Erik is something he always admitted and only happened one time…he apparently never abused him again…

[Ammi]

…also…

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…also the inference that ‘gay males were drawn to Erik’…that he was gay and in being gay, he enjoyedthe horrific abuse by his father…both he and Lyle were handsome, wealthy boys…lots of people were drawn to them both male and female….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…also the inference seemed to be that the relationship with the brothers was possibly incestuous…?…which seems to be a fabrication in terms of anything factual written…that was only ever a speculation thing based on a one time incident of Lyle taking Erik into the woods with a toothbrush and enacting something his father had done to him in trying to ‘normalise’ it as something that was done within a family…that abuse act with Erik is something he always admitted and only happened one time…he apparently never abused him again…

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Yeah, infact it was noted that they weren't tactile with eachother at all in reality which was 100% the opposite to how they were portrayed on the show

Originally Posted by Ammi

…also…

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…also the inference that ‘gay males were drawn to Erik’…that he was gay and in being gay, he enjoyedthe horrific abuse by his father…both he and Lyle were handsome, wealthy boys…lots of people were drawn to them both male and female….

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Yeah, obviously there would be nothing at all wrong with Erik being gay but he's stated numerous times that he isn't and the reasoning behind the inference comes from a really disgusting place as you pointed out

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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Yeah, infact it was noted that they weren't tactile with eachother at all in reality which was 100% the opposite to how they were portrayed on the show

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Yeah, obviously there would be nothing at all wrong with Erik being gay but he's stated numerous times that he isn't and the reasoning behind the inference comes from a really disgusting place as you pointed out

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…yeah, exactly…(…of that time…)…there was a stigma attached to homosexuality and it was the time of AIDS…/…hence his mom carrying out penis checks uggggghhhhhh…because his father would not tolerate AIDS being ‘brought into this house…’….the speculation of Erik being gay was surely just used as a way of saying, what was happening was something that he enjoyed…it was ‘weaponised’ by the series as being something negative…and that was also part of the storyline with his friendship in prison…which apparently he was in solitary and not mixing with others…?…when he married in prison and married a female, again it was inferred that, that relationship would suit him because it wasn’t sexual ….but he’s not portrayed as having any sexual attractions so far as I know…?..probably because of the abuse…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…yeah, exactly…(…of that time…)…there was a stigma attached to homosexuality and it was the time of AIDS…/…hence his mom carrying out penis checks uggggghhhhhh…because his father would not tolerate AIDS being ‘brought into this house…’….the speculation of Erik being gay was surely just used as a way of saying, what was happening was something that he enjoyed…it was ‘weaponised’ by the series as being something negative…and that was also part of the storyline with his friendship in prison…which apparently he was in solitary and not mixing with others…?…when he married in prison and married a female, again it was inferred that, that relationship would suit him because it wasn’t sexual ….but he’s not portrayed as having any sexual attractions so far as I know…?..probably because of the abuse…

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I listened to a podcast about the case before watching the show and on that they said that Lyle & Eric were in a separate wing to general population while they waited trial because the case was so high profile and there were fears for their safety