[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Ali, is that you?

Yes, hello

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Ali, is that you?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

When it’s performative, yes you can.

Yep

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yep

Ah… another person who sees through the mr nice guy act, nice to see!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

As Will said on L &L last night

You can now get criticised for being Nice?

I do think that there's something off about Khaled.

His not my worst Housemate in there, and I am sure that he is overall a decent guy, but I do think that there's more to him than he is showing so far.

And I don't believe that he is the only one tbf.

And I do agree about Ali having a bit of Misandry to her logic around the men @vesavius

[vesavius]

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

Exactly, most people are nice as a default to people they don't know very well, why wouldn't you be unless people weren't being nice to you?

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

Or… people just don’t believe it? It’s almost as if people have faked being nice before or something. Just because you believe it doesn’t mean others have to.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Or… people just don’t believe it? It’s almost as if people have faked being nice before or something. Just because you believe it doesn’t mean others have to.

I am sorry that you saw yourself in my comment.

It wasn't directed at anyone here particularly.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I am sorry that you saw yourself in my comment.

It wasn't directed at anyone here particularly.

Not so much that I felt it was directed at me. It felt more like you were generalising it when sometimes people just don’t agree, people are entitled to believe he’s performative whether you think he is or not.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Not so much that I felt it was directed at me. It felt more like you were generalising it when sometimes people just don’t agree, people are entitled to believe he’s performative whether you think he is or not.

Of course I was generalising... I don't have time to specifically address every BB fan individually so I tend to generalise.

But, I did not say all... Pay attention to the words in bold...

"Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can."

Those words mean not all.

Look, 'people' are entitled to believe whatever you choose, ofc, no argument there. I was simply giving my opinion of the IMO likely motivation behind that stated belief.

If someone sees themselves in this then.. Well...

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Or….
The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down. .

Wnat an absurd assertion.
Do, pray, substantiate your claim that calling someone performative is to try to drag them down.
To where?
The gutter where they already reside?
What if the person accused of being perfomative is, in fact, performative?
What about the gravitas of the person who issues what you present as a slur?
Surely that must be born in mind?
What if it is the truth?
If an elephant tells says to a mouse "my, but you are tiny" the elephant is stating the obvious. Is it dragging the mouse down?
What if calling someone performative is stating the obvious, is that dragging
the performer down or is it simply saying it as it is.
I saw Khaled last night giving the performance of his life in his den in the bowels of BB, when he whined the equivalent of "Woe is me" at the power to manipulate the nominations so unwisely lavished on him by BB.
The wretch enjoyed every minute of it.
He is truly despicable -------- and a very, very poor performer.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by HettyLip

Wnat an absurd assertion.
Do, pray, substantiate your claim that calling someone performative is to try to drag them down.
To where?
The gutter where they already reside?
What if the person accused of being perfomative is, in fact, performative?
What about the gravitas of the person who issues what you present as a slur?
Surely that must be born in mind?
What if it is the truth?
If an elephant tells says to a mouse "my, but you are tiny" the elephant is stating the obvious. Is it dragging the mouse down?
What if calling someone performative is stating the obvious, is that dragging
the performer down or is it simply saying it as it is.
I saw Khaled last night giving the performance of his life in his den in the bowels of BB, when he whined the equivalent of "Woe is me" at the power to manipulate the nominations so unwisely lavished on him by BB.
The wretch enjoyed every minute of it.
He is truly despicable -------- and a very, very poor performer.

Were you meant to quote me specifically on this because you’ve changed what I actually said? But it seems like you actually agree with me that he’s performative?

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Were you meant to quote me specifically on this because you’ve changed what I actually said? But it seems like you actually agree with me that he’s performative?

You may well be right, in which case I owe you an apology.
The wretch in question is, indeed, a performer, albeit a poor
one. Even as a louse he is third-rate.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by HettyLip

Wnat an absurd assertion.
Do, pray, substantiate your claim that calling someone performative is to try to drag them down.
To where?
The gutter where they already reside?
What if the person accused of being perfomative is, in fact, performative?
What about the gravitas of the person who issues what you present as a slur?
Surely that must be born in mind?
What if it is the truth?
If an elephant tells says to a mouse "my, but you are tiny" the elephant is stating the obvious. Is it dragging the mouse down?
What if calling someone performative is stating the obvious, is that dragging
the performer down or is it simply saying it as it is.
I saw Khaled last night giving the performance of his life in his den in the bowels of BB, when he whined the equivalent of "Woe is me" at the power to manipulate the nominations so unwisely lavished on him by BB.
The wretch enjoyed every minute of it.
He is truly despicable -------- and a very, very poor performer.

Hallelujah. !


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

He has admitted that he’s been putting on fake smiles for the cameras ..


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[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He has admitted that he’s been putting on fake smiles for the cameras ..

They have all done that.

If anything, saying that out loud probably makes him one of the less fake ones in there because others would deny it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by vesavius

They have all done that.

If anything, saying that out loud probably makes him one of the less fake ones in there because others would deny it.

Very good point

Plus there's such a thing as people putting on a brave face .

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Very good point

Plus there's such a thing as people putting on a brave face .

Get Martha to admit that her constructed jolly big girl persona is fake. Let's see if she is willing to do that, right?

And yep there is.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

They have all done that.

If anything, saying that out loud probably makes him one of the less fake ones in there because others would deny it.

LOL


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[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

Great post, vesavius. Your last sentence is wise advice.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

How about adding forgiveness and compassion ?

Ali isn’t a criminal fgs


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[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How about adding forgiveness and compassion ?

Ali isn’t a criminal fgs

lol, let's not get overly dramatic. No one said she was a criminal.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How about adding forgiveness and compassion ?

Ali isn’t a criminal fgs


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I mean she is a feminist.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I mean she is a feminist.