[Maru]

Feel free to skip... People do not actually believe most of what they write on social and are merely followers. Most of what gets written is for attention and to stay connected to the main thread of discussions for those sites. So if that person is not getting enough clicks or feels excluded, they shift the discussion further and further away from the edge than what they would normally believe that feeds into other missed needs. Because everyone does that at the same time in unison, it lends itself to an increasingly hostile environment in the long run and thus the edgier content begins to thrive and track more often... not making it a very fun experience overall.

Of course actual edge cases (or headcases) grab onto this and it helps them to feel validated in whatever crazy views they've always held. The ones that really understand the platforms and how they function get to capitalize and people are being manipulated constantly to accept whatever nonsense views they spew as "mainstream"... I really recommend to spend as little time scrolling such feeds (outside of curious sleuthing) if you're a generally reasonable person.

Algorithms are effective because they're addictive. When you have Americans trending because they're getting piss mad over something the Royals did/didn't do and non-Americans are following US elections so closely they can practically predict emerging talking points just by gut feel, it's frightening. That just shows how easy it is to manipulate people into changing their behavior and thinking by just having them follow a concept... and note whatever it is about, no matter how minor, how tiny, it somehow must connect to some much larger (translation: more relevant) puzzle that must be solved... like it's the biggest deal in that micro world...

Most every new site/forum/community that becomes stupid popular follows this lifecycle and this is why... eventually the users who fish for engagement milk the content until there's nothing to milk, then the life cycle for organic discussion suffers. It becomes a self-fulfilling process after a while... Social media is the "cure" to lack of content since it's seemingly never ending. It's actually better when a site isn't so popular anymore because it's not the most convenient feeding ground for the elusive clout and thus maintains a little bit of its original shine without being completely consumed by modern internet culture.


On topic: Ali is not a racist. There's other more prominent traits we can pick out and fuss over. This is not one of them. I think if she's off the show, she's probably not so overbearing and we see a milder side. But that is the appeal of the show, seeing these shifts in character. Some people take it way too seriously, but I doubt they mean even a small percentage of the tripe they're posting. Challenge them in person and most will crumble.

[jamiewordsley]

Even the worse of the worse Helen wood didnt get this much hate. !!

[BBXX]

Yes, the hate against Ali is ridiculous. Also some of it I find rooted it homophobia, such as dismissing her sexuality and mocking her for using pronouns. It's sad really.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes, the hate against Ali is ridiculous. Also some of it I find rooted it homophobia, such as dismissing her sexuality and mocking her for using pronouns. It's sad really.

I have noticed some Homophobia aimed at Ali on Social Media too.

I however do also think that the use of pronouns is something that I'm personally not keen on, don't get me wrong I won't lose sleep over it, but it's just a preference for people not to put pronouns in their bio.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I have noticed some Homophobia aimed at Ali on Social Media too.

I however do also think that the use of pronouns is something that I'm personally not keen on, don't get me wrong I won't lose sleep over it, but it's just a preference for people not to put pronouns in their bio.

I am not a pronouns in bio person either but I saw someone on here call her a nutter for it, the same person who dismissed her sexuality.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I am not a pronouns in bio person either but I saw someone on here call her a nutter for it, the same person who dismissed her sexuality.

Yeah that member is wrong to say that imo.

I get that they don't have to like her for putting pronouns in her bio, or controversially I will defend their right to dismiss her sexuality (although I will heavily disagree with them on this part) but they have never truly seen a nutter if they think that Ali's pronouns makes her nuts.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by GoldGlitter

Don't use social media it's bad for your mental health. They can't stand that a gay woman is successful in life and wanna drag her down. It's ok for straight housemates to express their opinions and not be portrayed as the villain.

I don't think her sexuality has much to do with it

Originally Posted by Garfie

I agree with you here, but I think that always happens. The audience of shows like BB can often forget to step back and observe housemates as complete, complex and flawed individuals, and instead reduce them to a number of traits.

I think both producers and the public have a tendency, and a preference, in fact, to assign ‘roles’ and labels to housemates, and then judge all future behaviour according to that label. The narrative generally then becomes quite a simplistic story of heroes and villains,

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I wouldn’t say Ali is racist. I also wouldn’t say she hates men. She’s just seems to have a lot of negativity about people which she always needs to vocalise

Originally Posted by Maru

Feel free to skip... People do not actually believe most of what they write on social and are merely followers. Most of what gets written is for attention and to stay connected to the main thread of discussions for those sites. So if that person is not getting enough clicks or feels excluded, they shift the discussion further and further away from the edge than what they would normally believe that feeds into other missed needs. Because everyone does that at the same time in unison, it lends itself to an increasingly hostile environment in the long run and thus the edgier content begins to thrive and track more often... not making it a very fun experience overall.

Of course actual edge cases (or headcases) grab onto this and it helps them to feel validated in whatever crazy views they've always held. The ones that really understand the platforms and how they function get to capitalize and people are being manipulated constantly to accept whatever nonsense views they spew as "mainstream"... I really recommend to spend as little time scrolling such feeds (outside of curious sleuthing) if you're a generally reasonable person.

Algorithms are effective because they're addictive. When you have Americans trending because they're getting piss mad over something the Royals did/didn't do and non-Americans are following US elections so closely they can practically predict emerging talking points just by gut feel, it's frightening. That just shows how easy it is to manipulate people into changing their behavior and thinking by just having them follow a concept... and note whatever it is about, no matter how minor, how tiny, it somehow must connect to some much larger (translation: more relevant) puzzle that must be solved... like it's the biggest deal in that micro world...

Most every new site/forum/community that becomes stupid popular follows this lifecycle and this is why... eventually the users who fish for engagement milk the content until there's nothing to milk, then the life cycle for organic discussion suffers. It becomes a self-fulfilling process after a while... Social media is the "cure" to lack of content since it's seemingly never ending. It's actually better when a site isn't so popular anymore because it's not the most convenient feeding ground for the elusive clout and thus maintains a little bit of its original shine without being completely consumed by modern internet culture.


On topic: Ali is not a racist. There's other more prominent traits we can pick out and fuss over. This is not one of them. I think if she's off the show, she's probably not so overbearing and we see a milder side. But that is the appeal of the show, seeing these shifts in character. Some people take it way too seriously, but I doubt they mean even a small percentage of the tripe they're posting. Challenge them in person and most will crumble.

Well thought out post. I agree with a lot of it

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The irony is that these people don't realize that they are just as bad (in some cases worse) than the very people that they think so lowly of.

Yeah exactly, it's deflecting. We love to judge others without taking a look at ourselves first

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes, the hate against Ali is ridiculous. Also some of it I find rooted it homophobia, such as dismissing her sexuality and mocking her for using pronouns. It's sad really.

Most of the hate can be found in this very forum although its just a handful of people who relentlessly post negative comments about her each and every post day after day


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I can understand people finding Ali’s behaviour questionable but I’m seeing people calling her an evil racist and then I’m also seeing so many harsh comments about Khaled as well and like… I think people are just feeling they need to have a “baddie” on the show and I’m very much a “woke snowflake” but I think any slight behaviour gets picked up on in this era.

Nobody has really been that horrendous for me on ITV.

I’d have loved to see some of these new viewers put up with proper bastards like Helen Wood (who I liked) or some of the horrendous C4 housemates who were just absolutely nasty.

I think over the 3 series we’ve had on ITV they’ve been tame in comparison.

I agree with you Black Dagger.

Nobody in this series have been irredeemable imo.

The public always get like this though, and I know that I have very much been guilty of it myself in the past tbf.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

I can understand people finding Ali’s behaviour questionable but I’m seeing people calling her an evil racist and then I’m also seeing so many harsh comments about Khaled as well and like… I think people are just feeling they need to have a “baddie” on the show and I’m very much a “woke snowflake” but I think any slight behaviour gets picked up on in this era.

Nobody has really been that horrendous for me on ITV.

I’d have loved to see some of these new viewers put up with proper bastards like Helen Wood (who I liked) or some of the horrendous C4 housemates who were just absolutely nasty.

I think over the 3 series we’ve had on ITV they’ve been tame in comparison.

…yeah, I agree about the ‘villain’ thing, how easily that can be created…and it’s kind of like a rolling stone thing, isn’t it…and the beginning of that is BB themselves because they are the masters of what’s highlighted and context can at times be quite slanted to create that hero/villain thing…obviously there has been lots of discussion points with Ali and her actions and reactions and house behaviour…and that’s what we do, that’s always been our BB…but yeah, the labelling and ‘hate’ that can be directed at someone is really not good to see…and social media adds a huge weight that we didn’t have back in the day…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Zizu putting down the safety net if she walks so he can say

"well I told you"

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Zizu putting down the safety net if she walks so he can say

"well I told you"

I predicted it last week .
I have no idea how she is coping in there ..

Just shows that she is indeed a strong woman


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[GlitterUK]

I think it terms of the production team etc it wouldn't surprise me if they don't have things in place - we just don't get to see them. Given what has happened on other shows and just in general in terms of the limelight etc people themselves have seen what can happen. How people can be edited to look a certain way. How things are 24 hours and only go into 1 hour ish of main show. That is the risk people take and should be made well aware of before even signing up to these type of shows.

Even if they had basic 5 minute daily chats with each of them:
1- How are you feeling today?
2- Do you have any concerns?
3- Do you wish to continue your time on the show?

It will more likely be when the crowd is heard - cheers/boo's/mix of both or maybe the chants get x out. But that is a thing for every housemate in there.

Anyone who is smart will have a code with family to say that Auntie Dottie the 2nd has passed away so that is a clue to walk. Either for their own MH or cause they are being portayed in a way which doesn't reflect them.

I also think about Khaleds mental health and Marcellos as both have said they have felt down and Marcello said he has felt like crying.