[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.

We are soooo many years past this point that it's but a distant dream.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

We are soooo many years past this point that it's but a distant dream.

The fact that some people are justifying policing jokes is just... Concerning to say the least.

We really need to come together as a fandom and tell BB that it's wrong to do what they did to Sarah last night, because it simply was wrong.

[Ammi]

…I feel the whole thing is just quite unfortunate, really…it’s almost as if it would have been more the thing to have called in any housemates who felt uncomfortable with the pun/comment as well…kind of, do you understand Sarah, how this could make someone feel…and also balance that with…do you understand how this wasn’t meant…etc…maybe I’m going too deep there but it’s just all very …unfortunate…and unfortunately in the world we live in/in the internet world etc…unfortunate can/has/and does lead to some awful things being thrown toward someone…I still don’t quite understand how if it was a chant that Sarah and Nathan both did in the task…?…how Nathan wasn’t called in as well to the diary room…

[Mrluvaluva]

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in. I don't think Sarah meant it in a malicious way and I'm not actually sure it was a warning because they normally say something along the lines of "Big Brother has no other option but to issue a warning because of this". I think they were just having a chat to bring to Sarah's attention that she had upset others. Maybe Hanah could have handled it slightly better but ultimately it creates discussion and something might be learnt from this.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in.

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

It’s all-too easy to say that from a position of privilege.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s all-too easy to say that from a position of privilege.

I wasn't aware that we had met.

What privilege are you assuming?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I wasn't aware that we had met.

What privilege are you assuming?

You know exactly what I’m talking about.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

Of course you can give offence if you cause someone to feel offended. As in they caused offence because....

We're all different. No matter what our personal views are. I would just apologise in this instance stating that I intended no malice in what I said and let it blow over.

I'm not easily offended but others are.

Unless I've misinterpreted your comment...

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Of course you can give offence if you cause someone to feel offended. As in they caused offence because....

No, sorry.

The responsibility for becoming offended lies with the listener. A person has agency and chooses to be offended or not. You can not like something or disagree with a thing but being offended is an emotional reaction that an individual can control, just as those with anger issues can do the work to control that.

We won't even talk about the people who actively seek-out offence. They would cross the road to be offended. They relish the social credit that being offended can give them... The power over the other.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, sorry.

The responsibility for becoming offended lies with the listener. A person has agency and chooses to be offended or not. You can not like something or disagree with a thing but being offended is an emotional reaction that an individual can control, just as those with anger issues can do the work to control that.

We won't even talk about the people who actively seek-out offence. They would cross the road to be offended. They relish the social credit that being offended can give them... The power over the other.

Don't agree with you on that and never will. No apologies.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in. I don't think Sarah meant it in a malicious way and I'm not actually sure it was a warning because they normally say something along the lines of "Big Brother has no other option but to issue a warning because of this". I think they were just having a chat to bring to Sarah's attention that she had upset others. Maybe Hanah could have handled it slightly better but ultimately it creates discussion and something might be learnt from this.

BB shouldn't be having a word with Sarah about it either.

They should leave Sarah to her own devices, unless she does something that warrants BB's attention.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BB shouldn't be having a word with Sarah about it either.

They should leave Sarah to her own devices, unless she does something that warrants BB's attention.

The problem with BB is they are very inconsistent when it comes to what is and isn't offensive,in this day and age...I think it's safe to say it's got to the stage where people have to be careful. We have gotten very PC ,but at the same time...I think BB is worried about complaints.

In the past housemates have definitely said far worse, the fact you're saying a housemate called a black person a " monkey " ( I actually didn't know about that ) , I didn't watch that series. That most definitely has racist tones.

I agree with you on parts ,you know I hate censorship. But obviously it depends on the situation. I think a big part of this must have been the fact Hanah herself didn't find it funny .

It may also have something to do with the fact Sarah & Hanah don't exactly have that type of friendship/ they're
not as close , another example is when Khaled got offended by her comments in the garden task... again they don't have that strong relationship, some friends who get on well and know eachother , will roast eachother and even make risque jokes.

And the fact it was about " gloating" already a negative trait, so Hanah was never going to take it well.

Interesting Nathan's comments once again get brushed off ,he called Khaled's group " fake & vain" ,but it seemed to get forgotten about .

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The problem with BB is they are very inconsistent when it comes to what is and isn't offensive,in this day and age...I think it's safe to say it's got to the stage where people have to be careful. We have gotten very PC ,but at the same time...I think BB is worried about complaints.

In the past housemates have definitely said far worse, the fact you're saying a housemate called a black person a " monkey " ( I actually didn't know about that ) , I didn't watch that series. That most definitely has racist tones.

I agree with you on parts ,you know I hate censorship. But obviously it depends on the situation. I think a big part of this must have been the fact Hanah herself didn't find it funny .

It may also have something to do with the fact Sarah & Hanah don't exactly have that type of friendship/ they're
not as close , another example is when Khaled got offended by her comments in the garden task... again they don't have that strong relationship, some friends who get on well and know eachother , will roast eachother and even make risque jokes.

And the fact it was about " gloating" already a negative trait, so Hanah was never going to take it well.

Interesting Nathan's comments once again get brushed off ,he called Khaled's group " fake & vain" ,but it seemed to get forgotten about .

Oh Caroline said a lot of outrageous stuff in that series that would not fly in today's climate.

Personally though I like to watch Reality TV, where people will say and do stuff that you won't like, but that's life in general, especially any perceived prejudices are certainly apart of reality.

And I think what hasn't helped in this series case (away from my hatred of censorship) is why were these things that I'm about to mention allowed to fly?

1. Nathan critiquing Martha's dress sense? Bringing her appearance into a negative light, which is frowned upon in society, and it was said with actual malice. Yet no warning or talking to from Big Brother.

2. Ryan's anti-woke comment in his VT, BB could've barred him from going into the house for making the Non-Binary joke, but they still let him on the Show.

3. Lily going into the Diary Room a couple of weeks ago implying that Segun looks ugly and big (which could definitely be interpreted a certain way) and in another Diary Room segment she went and mocked the guys calling each other "bruv" in a faux ghetto accent. Yet no warning off BB.

4. Ali blatantly being Misandrist in the house, yet no warning. Could argue that she was making Khaled and Marcello's time in the house really uncomfortable for most of the series just to add that to the list.

5. Dean's insults towards Sarah about her appearance again could be argued that he deserved a warning for that because people in the house might be offended. But no warning from BB.

6. Emma making violent jokes about Lily, we all know that she's joking, but Housemates might be offended, so where's the warning BB?

7. Daze was apart of Just Stop Oil, which is very offensive to a lot of people in this country. Going by BB's logic she should be mindful of her fellow Housemates feelings on the group.

8. All series there has been debates about Marcello being Misogynistic, I don't agree with Ali or some of the public that feel that way, but BB has continued to allow Ali to put up with Marcello's behaviour that she doesn't like from him. Where's the warning?

9. Sarah herself made a joke about Thomas's missing hand earlier in the series, where was BB giving out a warning?

They basically **** themselves because they fear that the public will think that the Show is racist, where as I think that nobody could possibly think that this particular version is any ist or phobic, you'd have to be very politically extreme to think that imo.

My point being is that there's no consistency from BB.

[GlitterUK]

It makes me wonder if Sarah was doing too well for their liking so had to take her down a bit.

Lily should be talked to about the screaming.

[Mrluvaluva]

In Sarah’s own words...

After informing Segun Shodipo of the matter, Hanah subsequently entered the Diary Room to explain her dissatisfaction with the remark, explaining that she was “irritated” by the line and “didn’t find it funny.”

Sarah was later called to the Diary Room, with Big Brother explaining that Sarah’s choice of language around the political reference had “impacted other Housemates”, adding that the “Big Brother House [was] made up of people from all walks of life with different life experiences.”

“I’d obviously like to say that if I offended anybody by making that kind of joke, I am genuinely 100% remorseful,” said Sarah in reply. “That is down to my own stupidity and selfishness thinking that me making a joke with word play and being like ‘haha good joke’ and not thinking with forethought about how that would affect other people.

“That perhaps the original phrase would offend or have connotations too. People's feelings are totally valid and if they do feel offended by that I am so so sorry. I have no malice in my heart. I have no malintent against anyone.”

Big Brother added that they “cannot permit language which is likely to be considered offensive by Housemates or the viewing public”, with Sarah ending by saying that she “very much” understood why concerns were raised.

[Maru]

woops again...

[madman411]

This is why Big Brother doesn't work in this day and age. We are too politically correct for a show like this to work now. Big Brother is all about the social experiment, raw and uncut nature of humans living together in a confined space. I do not justify Sarah's comment in any way, but with the good comes the bad, and we have to take both on the chin. This doesn't even scratch the controversy that was CBB5 which warranted the reaction it got. Sarah and Hannah should've had a conversation about it and made their peace, end of story.

The OP is right - this is not a sanitized Disney production, although the way it's being edited does give hints of American soap opera.

[caprimint]

All the woke people want to be offended over anything nowadays to be the victim and Hanah is clearly one of them

[Mrluvaluva]

I don't agree with Mystic on some levels but I do on others, and other people's comments. I mean who doesn't remember this?

Youtube video

That was much worse, and though Emily meant no offence, and Charley didn't really take offence initially, it blew up.

Youtube video

I appreciate it's a whole different scenario but then Shabnam became more offended over the whole thing rather than Charley.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I don't agree with Mystic on some levels but I do on others, and other people's comments. I mean who doesn't remember this?

Youtube video

That was much worse, and though Emily meant no offence, and Charley didn't really take offence initially, it blew up.

Youtube video

I appreciate it's a whole different scenario but then Shabnam became more offended over the whole thing rather than Charley.

Justice for Emily

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

We really are in a sensitive society when a Big Brother Housemate is getting a warning over a joke.

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.

And I really can't wait for Hanah to face the public vote next time.

Yes Stop The Boats

Stop the Gloats

Did seem Strange
to be told off about

[GoldHeart]

Did BB actually give her a warning? , I didn't hear him say that. But I guess it was implied .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did BB actually give her a warning? , I didn't hear him say that. But I guess it was implied .

…no, I think it was explained how something could offend with the diversity of the group…but I don’t think it was a warning, it wasn’t a purposeful thing…I mean, Sarah was devastated that there was seen to be any undertones of anything racist related…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…no, I think it was explained how something could offend with the diversity of the group…but I don’t think it was a warning, it wasn’t a purposeful thing…I mean, Sarah was devastated that there was seen to be any undertones of anything racist related…

I think threads on here are assuming BB gave her a warning ,but we didn't actually hear him give her 1. But I guess it's insinuating it is...as he said " BB doesn't tolerate" and blah blah . Which is usually before s punishment of some kind.