[Niamh.]

Found an old thread you started about it actually Vicky

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...ey#post8993523

[Vicky.]

Yea linked that earlier

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yea linked that earlier

Oh sorry totally missed that post duh

[Ammi]

…I’ve got a bit of free time so I think that I’ll start watching this now…

[Niamh.]

I wonder if they ever

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Took a sample of John Mark Kerrs hand writing to compare to the ransom note?

[Ammi]

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…The special report televised ‘Trial of the Ramsey’s’ was outrageous and completely trivialising the brutal murder of a child for what felt like entertainment/sensationalist value…and that they intimated in that, that JonBenet was being exploited and sexualised, while if that was what they felt, they were then all doubling down on that…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pigeon Lady

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…The special report televised ‘Trial of the Ramsey’s’ was outrageous and completely trivialising the brutal murder of a child for what felt like entertainment/sensationalist value…and that they intimated in that, that JonBenet was being exploited and sexualised, while if that was what they felt, they were then all doubling down on that…

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The 90's and even early 00's were awful for those kind of talk shows. I'm not a fan of those pageant's for children at all I might add but I don't think Patsy did it with bad intent, she was involved in that world herself and probably just saw it as sharing her interest. I do think that unfortunately for JonBenét it may have been what made her noticed by the sick person who did what he did to her though

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

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The 90's and even early 00's were awful for those kind of talk shows. I'm not a fan of those pageant's for children at all I might add but I don't think Patsy did it with bad intent, she was involved in that world herself and probably just saw it as sharing her interest. I do think that unfortunately for JonBenét it may have been what made her noticed by the sick person who did what he did to her though

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…no, child pageantry is something that I’m uncomfortable with as well…but it was a popular thing in the US at that time../…I’m not sure if that’s still the case in present times..so the leap from child pageantry and any sexualisation involved in that and sexually abusive parents/father was just bizarre…also that lady who was involved in the TV Trial thing…saying that JonBenet was ‘masterbating with the saxophone’…when she was dancing a rhythm and imitating playing a saxophone…it’s just incredible how much the parents were being implicated on really fabricated stuff and judgement of others…I do agree about Patsy, I think her intent was good…JonBenet possibly wanted to be a ‘beauty queen’ like her mom had been when she was younger and after Patsy’s aggressive cancer….?…she obviously didn’t know if she would see her daughter grow up so I think that was a deciding factor, possibly…that she was able to make that ‘beauty queen’ journey now with her daughter…ironically and tragically, she was correct…she never got to see JonBenet grow into adulthood…but not for the reason she would have thought and ironically also…as you say…that decision for JonBenet to take part in pageantry may have been something that led to her brutal death…

[Niamh.]

of course now I'm falling back down the rabbit hole of this case once again, I had forgotten about

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the pineapple in JonBenét's stomach that they think she must have eaten around 11pm-12am which the parents say they never gave her however they found a bowl with Pineapple and milk on the counter with only Burkes finger prints, I think this was where the Burke killed her theory stemmed from, that he made himself the snack after his parents went to bed (they got home around 10pm) JonBenét got up and grabbed some from his bowl, he gets annoyed and hits her causing the head injury and then the parents or just Patsy cover it up

[Vicky.]

Just finished this..idk what to think as it seemed biased which I guess all shows are. Now rewatching the CBS one which may have been biased the opposite way!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Just finished this..idk what to think as it seemed biased which I guess all shows are. Now rewatching the CBS one which may have been biased the opposite way!

Yeah I think the CBS one focused mainly on the Burke theory from what I've read

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Just finished this..idk what to think as it seemed biased which I guess all shows are. Now rewatching the CBS one which may have been biased the opposite way!

…same as you really, Vicky…

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…and aghhhhhhhh, it being revealed so close to the end that the DNA might have been pointless evidence anyway/might have been in some way contaminated etc….

… but really, I don’t know what to think …

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…and I didn’t understand how they were still speculating that her brother had hit over the head with the torchlight for taking some of his cereal and accidentally killed her… when it was already established that she was alive when the paint brush garrotte was used…John Mark Karr is still the most likely suspect, I feel…if the DNA wasn’t accurate and his could have matched…because I don’t know how he would have known some details if he didn’t kill her…

[Ammi]

…one thing that I forgot to say…

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…the ransom note and the ransom itself are surely very significant in leaning toward the killer to be someone who was very well known to the Ramsey’s…as in a relative or very close friend…?…$118,000 was the exact sum of John Ramsey’s Christmas bonus and an ‘irregular amount’ for a ransom demand…so that has to surely have significance in someone who knew that’s what the Christmas bonus was…it’s a very personal thing to tell someone also…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pigeon Lady

…one thing that I forgot to say…

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…the ransom note and the ransom itself are surely very significant in leaning toward the killer to be someone who was very well known to the Ramsey’s…as in a relative or very close friend…?…$118,000 was the exact sum of John Ramsey’s Christmas bonus and an ‘irregular amount’ for a ransom demand…so that has to surely have significance in someone who knew that’s what the Christmas bonus was…it’s a very personal thing to tell someone also…

Yes or.....

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If it was a paedophile intruder who went into the house while they were out that day and waited until they came home that evening they could have maybe seen some paper work, statement or something in the house showing that, maybe in Johns office? I presume he had an office in that massive house

[Vanessa]

Presumably

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the killer got in from the basement. One of the windows was open

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Yes or.....

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If it was a paedophile intruder who went into the house while they were out that day and waited until they came home that evening they could have maybe seen some paper work, statement or something in the house showing that, maybe in Johns office? I presume he had an office in that massive house

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…yeah that’s true, the killer could have seen some paperwork…but I still feel bugged by the ransom note…I mean, it was a huge long note to write with a lot of detail…like …if you go to the police, she’ll be beheaded or whatever the wording was…and yet her body was left right there and could have been found in moments of a pointless ransom note being left…and yeah, exactly for the amount of the Christmas bonus…if it was an ‘attempted kidnap’ that went wrong, which I don’t feel is very believable with what he did to JonBenet…then he would surely have just stun gunned her and took her, taking moments to be in and out and on the way to get his ransom demand, possibly….then ransom note just doesn’t fit, does it…