[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He was homophobic and then got himself thrown out for being aggressive and threatening. He’s not someone I’d give any time to.

There's a reason he's spent the last 6 years of his life alone and probably will the rest of it.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He was homophobic and then got himself thrown out for being aggressive and threatening. He’s not someone I’d give any time to.

Glenn, you call women sweetheart and babe all the time, when they literally ask you not to?!

[letmein]

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by letmein

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

That is a real load of bigotry and conjecture. Wow

It's 2025 dude

Stop please

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

That is a real load of bigotry and conjecture. Wow

It's 2025 dude

Stop please

So much hatred for a guy with well known mental health issues. Love wins? Ok cool.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by letmein

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

Well said!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by letmein

The guy has obvious brain damage. He beat up his girlfriend. I don’t find him entertaining at all. It’s sad and exploitive. Do I think he’s homophobic? No idea, but what he said was awful. It wouldn’t be something I would personally throw him out of the house for but if he used a racial slur, he would have been thrown out, so, if we were to go by past unacceptable behavior, he deserved to get the boot for it. That being said, I view him as a tragic figure. He should never have been brought into the house begin with. The guy barely knows where he is and does nothing. It’s not funny and it’s not entertaining. It’s disgraceful on the show’s part. They knew what they were doing putting him in there. The ratings are still terrible so it really wasn’t worth it in the end.

He lost 99% of my sympathy when I found out he had clearly very plausible domestic violence charges against him (likely only dropped because his partner at the time didn't want to pursue them) and it was cemented by finding out he's pals with rancid old Johnny Depp. Birds of a feather, etc.

He was entertaining to watch in there for a few days but nothing about him is in any way likeable.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Is there a dogging community
When do they get represented?

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Is there a dogging community
When do they get represented?

Why does it bother you so much somebody has posed a question to the LGBTQ+ community over a person who said homophobic comments, that you need make a quite frankly ridiculous post like that?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Why does it bother you so much somebody has posed a question to the LGBTQ+ community over a person who said homophobic comments, that you need make a quite frankly ridiculous post like that?

Tbf, he might've seen someone from the LGBTQ community become a Celtic fan back when he was a kid, and it's probably traumatized him.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Why does it bother you so much somebody has posed a question to the LGBTQ+ community over a person who said homophobic comments, that you need make a quite frankly ridiculous post like that?

Dude’s a dinosaur. A big roar with tiny arms and hands.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Dude’s a dinosaur. A big roar with tiny arms and hands.

It's good to see you're back.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Why does it bother you so much somebody has posed a question to the LGBTQ+ community over a person who said homophobic comments, that you need make a quite frankly ridiculous post like that?

That user is the definition of a Karen. Always thinks they are putting the world to right but they are actually just cringe and out of touch. Most of their posts are like this

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Is there a dogging community
When do they get represented?

[Zizu]

She probably tied all his shoe laces together and mixed up all his medicine tablets

[Abra]

I wasn't personally offended by anything he said, but I don't get offended easily, but I don't condone his words or behaviour either.
The issue is, instances like this on TV and in the media then leads to days worth of people defending someone using homophobic slurs and justifying it as "just a joke" or whatever, so it has a knock-on effect besides just the contestants in the show and it seems like a concerted push to normalise and mainstream that type of homophobia again. There are ways of being humorous and making jokes without using slurs but Mickey has a serious lack of self awareness and respect for others. Plus his sexual remarks towards JoJo and Ella were just gross.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Abra

I wasn't personally offended by anything he said, but I don't get offended easily, but I don't condone his words or behaviour either.
The issue is, instances like this on TV and in the media then leads to days worth of people defending someone using homophobic slurs and justifying it as "just a joke" or whatever, so it has a knock-on effect besides just the contestants in the show and it seems like a concerted push to normalise and mainstream that type of homophobia again. There are ways of being humorous and making jokes without using slurs but Mickey has a serious lack of self awareness and respect for others. Plus his sexual remarks towards JoJo and Ella were just gross.

Yeah, all good points actually, imo saying stuff like he did which can offend people should be allowed in, I think it's much more beneficial to have them stay and have the HMs pull them up on it and let them all talk about it, that, imo is the best way to help people understand why it could be hurtful etc you may get through to the person and you may not but I can guarantee there's a better chance than just telling the person to shut up or kicking them out. I think that's what BB was all about in fact in the early days, different HMs, with different views and opinions, thrashing out their conflicting views and seeing things from other peoples perspectives.

**Of course this doesn't apply to threatening behaviour or bullying

[Parmy]

I think he was deliberate in his wording of the things he said in the hope of being ejected.or at least nominated and evicted first.

To do that and not care about anyone's feelings but his own is really poor form.


Up until his departure though he was still by far the most interesting housemate and will be sorely missed.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Beso

I think he was deliberate in his wording of the things he said in the hope of being ejected.or at least nominated and evicted first.

To do that and not care about anyone's feelings but his own is really poor form.


Up until his departure though he was still by far the most interesting housemate and will be sorely missed.

Would he still get paid (or paid his full fee) if he got ejected? Seems like something they'd have written into his contract so HM would follow the rules

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Would he still get paid (or paid his full fee) if he got ejected? Seems like something they'd have written into his contract so HM would follow the rules

They probably all had different things written into their contracts. It's feasable that Mickey had paid at all costs one, considering his stature in the celeb world compared to the other hms.


Physicality wouldn't be one of them though. So it would be interesting to know why he was actually thrown out. Was it the language he used and the tears of Ellie. Or for squaring up to chris

[Lostie!]

I'm not gonna label someone homophobic because of an off colour joke, I think his respectful relationship with Danny calls for more nuance to the discussion than that.

That said, JoJo's offense in the moment was entirely valid, she was the recipient and she's the only one who gets to say how she should feel. She and Mickey didn't have a long time, close friendship where that sort of banter may work, they were essentially strangers, I do think he meant it as an edgy joke but it didn't land and that's on him.

So yeah, I wouldn't call him homophobic. He seems like somebody who isn't often around loud and proud LGBT people like Danny and JoJo but he was clearly fond of Danny and I do feel like his relationship with JoJo was strengthening after their moment. I found it interesting, it made the show feel like an actual social experiment again.

The "I'll tie you up" part was the more problematic part for me, that crossed a whole other line.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

[vesavius]

Remember 'You Decide'?

Short of actual physical violence that should always be the case, not removing HMs because 'members of the public may be offended'. Why bother voting when all you have on offer is an ideologically approved shortlist of who the production team and RedditX deems appropriate for mass consumption?

Vote between Daley, Jack, and Chris! Wo0o0o0h, interesting.

Someone is always offended. About everything. Every single interest group has an axe to grind. It never ends. You can't run an actually decent version of BB like that.

I watch BB for human behaviour, it's highs and lows, not for some enactment of a sanitised vision of some post Stalinist dystopia where everyone is grimace smiling and afraid to say anything while policing the HM next to them in case THEY say something that is worth social credit points.

Chris! Quickly say "you can't use that word" multiple times so that Reddit sees you and thinks you are one of them!"

Unless they are physically assaulting someone in any sense, leave them in and let the public decide.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Remember 'You Decide'?

Short of actual physical violence that should always be the case, not removing HMs because 'members of the public may be offended'. Why bother voting when all you have on offer is an ideologically approved shortlist of who the production team and RedditX deems appropriate for mass consumption?

Vote between Daley, Jack, and Chris! Wo0o0o0h, interesting.

Someone is always offended. About everything. Every single interest group has an axe to grind. It never ends. You can't run an actually decent version of BB like that.

I watch BB for human behaviour, it's highs and lows, not for some enactment of a sanitised vision of some post Stalinist dystopia where everyone is grimace smiling and afraid to say anything while policing the HM next to them in case THEY say something that is worth social credit points.

Chris! Quickly say "you can't use that word" multiple times so that Reddit sees you and thinks you are one of them!"

Unless they are physically assaulting someone in any sense, leave them in and let the public decide.

Genuine question, let's say on the civilian Big Brother there is an out and out homophobe, and throughout their stay they're just grossly homophobic. That person then goes on to win a lot of money for the homophobia, and it's voted for by the public, so you have a homophobe rewarded for homophobic behaviour by fellow homophobes and other people who think words don't matter.

Swap out homophobe for racist or sexist. Can you not see why such a result would be dangerous in giving people carte blanch to act in the same way.

I get what you're saying, and think the only think worth Mickey being removed for was the tie you up comment, but television can't be seen to be rewarding or promoting hateful rhetoric. It's puts real people in real danger.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Genuine question, let's say on the civilian Big Brother there is an out and out homophobe, and throughout their stay they're just grossly homophobic. That person then goes on to win a lot of money for the homophobia, and it's voted for by the public, so you have a homophobe rewarded for homophobic behaviour by fellow homophobes and other people who think words don't matter.

Swap out homophobe for racist or sexist. Can you not see why such a result would be dangerous in giving people carte blanch to act in the same way.

I get what you're saying, and think the only think worth Mickey being removed for was the tie you up comment, but television can't be seen to be rewarding or promoting hateful rhetoric. It's puts real people in real danger.

Well, as demonstrated one person's homophobia is another person's edgy joke, so... Who gets to decide? The most offended? That's just a race to the bottom.

But, do I see how it could be dangerous? No more than I can see the authoritarian suppression of action and speech under the jackboot of the 'we know what's good for you' new puritans to be dangerous.

People are already in real danger from that.

I am a firm believer of exposing bad ideas and actions to sunlight as a disinfectant, because they grow a lot worse in the darkness. I would 100% have a Mickey in there, for example, than a 'pick me' creeper like Chris. At least Mickey wears who he is openly and allows you to make a judgement on him based on that.

Question; Why are so called 'Liberals' the most authoritarian in every conversation these days?