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Ammi · 22-06-2025, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

"it feels quite scary…"

Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

….handed over to our government who would struggle with the power of ordering a Saturday evening take-away…

arista · 22-06-2025, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

….handed over to our government who would struggle with the power of ordering a Saturday evening take-away…

Sure
Labour are Legit
they won this last general election.

In 4 years, it could be PM Farage

Kate! · 22-06-2025, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

I can still see ignored posts when I want to, and I decide if or when I bother responding. It’s called being in control, you should try it sometime.

And screening? It’s about knowing, not forcing treatments. Information doesn’t ‘traumatise’ a child, but ignorance sure can. Not that I expect you to comprehend the difference.

Anyway, you stay ‘calm and reasoned’ over there. The rest of us will stick with common sense and leave the pearl‑clutching to you.

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

This is fine imo.

I was talking about Livia's hypothetical future where babies have trackers implanted into them from birth, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if society went down that path.

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Originally Posted by BBXX

I am personally 50/50 on this. On a very surface level, it seems like a good thing:

It's important to consider that they will only be looking for conditions that:
- are reliably detectable,
- would impact quality of life if left undetected,
- have proven improved outcome when intervention has been put in place before symptoms show
- have treatment available.

However this isn't perfect - on a totally basic level, this could effect things like travel insurance from birth, even if the symptoms aren;'t showing and could not effect someone for decades to come. There is also the very real threat of data-selling, potentially. It would need to have an incredibly tight security around it.

Having said all that, I would be lying if I said I trusted any Government at all, and particularly with health issues.

There was something extremely weird about the way in which governments manufactured and manipulated the fear and control during covid pandemic which will forever make me look at them suspiciously.

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Originally Posted by bots

am i the only one that is alarmed that this is announced at the same time as assisted dying passes in the commons?

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Originally Posted by bots

i can see a future where today's children are forced to accept treatment or they will lose future benefits, and that is just one thought. With the advances in AI, future generations are going to be targeted based on their genetics in all sorts of ways. Take it to its logical end point and it is like nazi's generating the super race.

Can people really sit here and say they trust the government and corporations and the wealthy to look after the publics interests

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Originally Posted by Ammi

…it feels very much like a ‘Big Brother’ type thing and it would be lovely to think that it’s all for good reasons and for the good of the people etc…but recent governments sadly have a leaning to act in their own interest/…not the interest of the people…more and more their actions are feeling like ‘control’ rather than care…it should feel quite positive bu it doesn’t for me, it feels quite scary…

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Originally Posted by arista

"it feels quite scary…"

Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

Far from me pearl clutching while everyone sides with you as you seem to think is the case, I'm actually the one talking commone sense and as you can see people are agreeing with me. Not you.

Glenn. · 22-06-2025, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kate!

Far from me pearl clutching while everyone sides with you as you seem to think is the case, I'm actually the one talking commone sense and as you can see people are agreeing with me. Not you.

It’s telling that you’re more obsessed with collecting ‘likes’ from the forum than actually understanding the issue. We’re talking about screening…information…not forcing treatments

Kate! · 22-06-2025, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s telling that you’re more obsessed with collecting ‘likes’ from the forum than actually understanding the issue. We’re talking about screening…information…not forcing treatments

Who says I am? You? Please yourself. Nobody else thinks that so I'm not arsed. And treatments would be forced as I myself have been made to take statins against my wishes because I have heart disease history in the family.

Glenn. · 22-06-2025, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kate!

Who says I am? You? Please yourself. Nobody else thinks that so I'm not arsed. And treatments would be forced as I myself have been made to take statins against my wishes because I have heart disease history in the family.

That’s exactly the point.. your experience doesn’t automatically apply to everyone else, and screening doesn’t ‘force’ treatments. It gives people information. What they do with it is a choice, not an obligation.

If you felt pushed into statins, that’s a conversation between you and your doctor. But making it sound like screening = forcing meds for every child is misleading at best

Livia · 22-06-2025, 09:09 AM

How long before the police have access to this data? Then, like magic, every crime could be solved immediately.

Couldn't happen though, could it. Of course not.....

Kate! · 22-06-2025, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

How long before the police have access to this data? Then, like magic, every crime could be solved immediately.

Couldn't happen though, could it. Of course not.....

Yet another viable concern. Well said.

arista · 22-06-2025, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

How long before the police have access to this data? Then, like magic, every crime could be solved immediately.

Couldn't happen though, could it. Of course not.....

Police are not needing the data

Do not upset this fella anymore

Livia · 22-06-2025, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Police are not needing the data

Do not upset this fellaa anymore

They don't need it [I]now.[I] but how long before someone says hey guys, I've got a great idea...

AnnieK · 22-06-2025, 09:51 AM

Would these be mandatory samples taken or would it be a choice for the parents?

Kate! · 22-06-2025, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Would these be mandatory samples taken or would it be a choice for the parents?

I think mandatory Annie. I'm very against it.

Glenn. · 22-06-2025, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Would these be mandatory samples taken or would it be a choice for the parents?

Right now every baby gets the heel‑prick test (9 serious conditions like sickle cell and cystic fibrosis). It’s been around forever, and it’s highly recommended, but it’s NOT mandatory. You can say no if you want.

The new DNA genome screening (testing for 200+ rare conditions) is still in trials. It’s optional, you have to give permission, and it’s NOT replacing the heel‑prick. It won’t be forced on anyone, now or in the future.

bots · 22-06-2025, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Right now every baby gets the heel‑prick test (9 serious conditions like sickle cell and cystic fibrosis). It’s been around forever, and it’s highly recommended, but it’s NOT mandatory. You can say no if you want.

The new DNA genome screening (testing for 200+ rare conditions) is still in trials. It’s optional, you have to give permission, and it’s NOT replacing the heel‑prick. It won’t be forced on anyone, now or in the future.

are you usually accepting of everything you hear from the government, or do you just find them absolutely trustworthy on this?

Glenn. · 22-06-2025, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bots

are you usually accepting of everything you hear from the government, or do you just find them absolutely trustworthy on this?

I wouldn’t say I blindly trust the government on everything, far from it. But when it comes to this, I just think it’s worth looking at what’s best for the baby. We’re talking about spotting serious or rare conditions early, things that could be treated or managed if you knew about them from the start.

It’s not about accepting every word from the government, it’s about making sure we don’t lose a child to something we could have caught much, much earlier. In this case, that just feels like the safer, smarter option.

Vicky. · 22-06-2025, 10:45 AM

I hated the heel prick thing..felt guilty for causing them pain

Glenn. · 22-06-2025, 10:48 AM

Necessary though right?

Vicky. · 22-06-2025, 11:01 AM

Oh yea I wouldn't have declined it, it's important.

AnnieK · 22-06-2025, 11:04 AM

I thought it was optional....i couldn't remember if I had to give consent for the heel orick when my son was born, it's been a long time.

I think I'd still consent, forwarded is forarmed and all that

Livia · 22-06-2025, 11:05 AM

And we all trust that our children's stored dna information will be kept safe or destroyed and never used for anything aside from its original use? We all have confidence in the NHS and whichever government is in charge? Because I'm not sure and would need to know a lot more about it.

Liam- · 22-06-2025, 11:13 AM

Jesus Christ, this forum is becoming more like a conspiracy theorist website by the day, how an announcement that babies will be screened for any future medical issues they could find evidence of, to help streamline any future treatment, has descended into utter madness about forcing people to do treatments they don’t want or need or to have tracking chips implanted, genuinely reads like insanity