[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People seeking refuge from ... France?

It’s madness isn’t it


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[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People seeking refuge from ... France?

No, from war torn countries.

If you're against people seeking refuge in the UK, then that's your opinion.

I understand the issue surrounding economic migrants and while I think the topic is over-discussed (considering those coming over on boats make up a small percentage of our migrants each year) and is spoken about divisively, that doesn't mean I don't think there needs to be something done to stop/limit, it for the benefit and safety of everyone, including those who aren't seeking refuge who are making crossings.

However, in terms of Refugees? I just am surprised to see it so brazenly marked on a symbol inciting hate. Usually those who are against immigrants insist it's *just* the economic migrants they are against, not those seeking refuge.

I wonder how the Ukrainian refugees feel about such messaging. And the many thousand from HK who have come to the UK to escape the political unease in their homeland.

Also, would love to know how much the people who erected this actually care about Veterans. It's kind of giving... performative.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

No, from war torn countries.

If you're against people seeking refuge in the UK, then that's your opinion.

I understand the issue surrounding economic migrants and while I think the topic is over-discussed (considering those coming over on boats make up a small percentage of our migrants each year) and is spoken about divisively, that doesn't mean I don't think there needs to be something done to stop/limit, it for the benefit and safety of everyone, including those who aren't seeking refuge who are making crossings.

However, in terms of Refugees? I just am surprised to see it so brazenly marked on a symbol inciting hate. Usually those who are against immigrants insist it's *just* the economic migrants they are against, not those seeking refuge.

I wonder how the Ukrainian refugees feel about such messaging. And the many thousand from HK who have come to the UK to escape the political unease in their homeland.

Also, would love to know how much the people who erected this actually care about Veterans. It's kind of giving... performative.

This is not a one off, bonfires are lit every 11th July as part of the Marching Season by protestants in the North, I imagine they care alot about veterans given the British Army did many tours there in the 70s and 80s

[Ammi]

…I’m reading that this is being investigated by the authorities in terms of a possible hate incident so that’s progressing atm…it feels deliberately provocative and inciteful to choose those effigies when only recently, migrant homes were attacked nearby in that same area…

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People seeking refuge from ... France?

I know... Then people compare them to Ukrainians because they're white and they want to imply we're racist... But Ukrainians actually fled a war torn country.

[Livia]

I think if a chant of "DEATH, DEATH TO THE IDF" is art, so is this. I think if chanting "UP HAMAS, UP HEZBOLLAH" is art, so is this.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think if a chant of "DEATH, DEATH TO THE IDF" is art, so is this. I think if chanting "UP HAMAS, UP HEZBOLLAH" is art, so is this.

Same...

Now, footage from two previous gigs is being assessed by counter-terrorism police in the UK.

In one, the band allegedly call for the death of Conservative MPs. Another seems to show a band member shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah". Both groups are banned in the UK and it is a crime to express support for them.

Kneecap have responded with a statement, saying they "do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah".

They claimed that footage where they appeared to say "the only good Tory is a dead Tory" had been "taken out of all context", and apologised for the hurt caused to the families of murdered MPs Jo Cox and Sir David Amess.

But Cox's widower Brendan was unimpressed, calling their statement "only half an apology". Downing Street agreed, describing their words as "half-hearted" and "completely unacceptable".

The row was discussed in the House of Commons on Tuesday, with Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp calling their comments "evil".

[Beso]

Sinn Fein's Assembly member for
Fermanagh and South Tyrone,
Colm Gildernew, has been among those
responding,
branding the display 'vile' and 'deplorable'.



The same man who praises kneecap, and heaps praise on the IRA man who tried to murder the Irish first minister.

[arista]

[No, from war torn countries.]

Yes BBXX

And also general illegal migrants
Looking for a better life in soft UK


It is never one nation
In a packed small boat

[BBXX]

I used Ukraine because they are refugees and the bonfire states refugees.

[Beso]

The boats are full of tattooed idiots, or non practicing Muslims as I prefer to call them.Basically the UK, is the dumping ground for countries expelling thier non practicing Muslims. Like people with tatoos. They come here because they believe in our way of life. Even the ones fleeing persecution for not following islam are bad mouthing the criminal element amongst them in the hotels up and down the country. In fighting will come before any attacks by British citizens.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It does make you wonder where some people get the idea from...

Spoiler:

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

It does make you wonder where some people get the idea from...

Spoiler:

Those are also bad, do we agree?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Those are also bad, do we agree?

Protests?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Protests?

Burning effigies. Sorry I thought your examples were trying to make that point, my mistake if not.

I am all for protests but personally I don't like burning flags/effigies/symbols, particularly when aimed at those most vulnerable in society. I just hate the imagery and extreme hatred it exudes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Burning effigies. Sorry I thought your examples were trying to make that point, my mistake if not.

I am all for protests but personally I don't like burning flags/effigies/symbols, particularly when aimed at those most vulnerable in society. I just hate the imagery and extreme hatred it exudes.

There is nothing vulnerable about economic illegal migrants in the UK brought here by criminal gangs to milk our taxes and leftists tendency for suicidal empathy.

I fear you have missed the symbolism, nor understood why the bonfires are lit

[Crimson Dynamo]

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